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I am currently running a Peugeot 406 1.9 TD 1996 GLX

I am pleased with it but I have been offered a 2004 citroen xsara picasso desire 2 hdi at a very good price (£1000). I'm not entirely sure of the mileage at this stage but I know it's in excess of 100,000 miles.

Would buying this new car give me cheaper running over the next few years with it being newer or should stick with the Peugeot. What will the Citroen give me over the Pug.

In the fours years I have owned it the pug (along with the normal filter and oil changes) has had the timing belt/water pump done at Christmas!,auxilary drive belt and spring tensioner, bosch glow plugs twice, new front shock absorbers, all new rear brake shoes, new starter motor, new front droplinks, new clutch, accelerator cable, full exhaust and a new radiator but...
the multifunction display doesn't work now, one of the front brake pads is sticking, it needs three new tyres, the speedo and now rev counter do not work and I have a slight rough idle (suspect it is possibly an injector issue but not checked)

When i write this all down it looks daft to buy a new car ...doesn't it?

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willy wrote: When i write this all down it looks daft to buy a new car ...doesn't it?
Yes, it does Willy :wink: After all the work you've had done, a little more will result in a very good car.

Also, better the devil you know. Buying another, even if the HDi might prima-facie offer a tad more fuel economy, you're effectively starting again and to get the new car into the same sort of fettle might cost a lot more than the bare saving in fuela nd the residual work you need to do on the 406.

I'd say keep the 406...
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Post by jgra1 »

... and run it on WVO Willy?

£1000, you could save that in 3-6 months...

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Post by willy »

Thanks for both your comments, i knew that was going to be poeples opinions after i started writing the info.

John, It's funny you mentioned that I have been thinking of running on vege oil for ages but what's put me off is the cost of vegetable oil now. I can't see it any cheaper than £1 a litre.

Plus I'm thinking i can't run any more than 50/50 so it doesn't save as much as i was expecting for the possible increase risk of damage.
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Post by dieselnutjob »

the HDI will save you maybe 10% on fuel but the first time it goes wrong you are looking at a bigger repair bill, wiping out any saving.
HDI injectors are £250 each and they can also need tank pumps sometimes etc.
The HDI is also a more complex engine which is more likely to have electrical and sensor issues.
On the other hand a cambelt failure on an 8v HDI normally only causes a few broken rocker arms whereas it will destroy an XUD.
I think that the HDI is more resistant to overheating and less likely to blow head gaskets and such.
So it depends whether you are comfortable with electronics or not.
Probably you should just have the car that you enjoy driving the most, suits your lifestyle best, or is in generally good condition.
Engines and mechanical parts are cheaper and easier to fix than bodywork.
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Post by Citroenmad »

If your happy with your 406 and its how you would like it then id say keep that. If you feel like a change or a newer car then swap for the Picasso, they are good cars.

It seems very cheap? Even for one with over 100K miles, not bad for a 2004 Picasso.

The 2.0 HDi 8v is a great engine, very few have problems, just think how many are around. Cambelts are less frequent than on the XUD, injectors might be a thing with its mileage, however if the car is well serviced and good quality fuel is used they should last.

The multiplexing would be the main thing to watch out for, but a problem is usually a comms error, which can be exchanged for a second hand unit reasonably cheaply.

DMF is something to watch out for, but then again, there are a solid flywheel replacement should it go. Obviously costs are involved.

The XPic offers a few advantages, lower running costs with its road tax and better economy. Increased safety features in a stronger car.

Difficult decision actually.

There is, in theory, little to go wrong with an XUD 406. Then again, there are many Picassos around and the 2.0 is a great engine, reliable too.
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willy wrote:Plus I'm thinking i can't run any more than 50/50 so it doesn't save as much as i was expecting for the possible increase risk of damage.
See if you can know someone with a Costco account, or know someone with one.

Why only 50/50 though?

As for a cam belt snapping killing an XUD, nah, Cassy's went at 40mph, replaced the cam and it's caps and she ran fine.
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Post by Peter.N. »

I have recently bought a 406 Hdi after saying I never would for the reasons dieselnutjob states but I have been pleasantly surprised, its done nearly 190,000 miles but drives almost like new, it started within two or three seconds every day we had the permafrost. I saw quite a number for sale with 300,000 + miles which goes a long way with me (and the car of course). It doesn't ride like the XM but it does have one or two bonuses like the auxilliary heater, warm air in less than a minute - that goes a long way with me :D

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Post by cachaciero »

At £1000.00 why not buy the Picasso and keep the 406 at least until you decide which you prefer. Assuming that you don't spend too much on the Picasso if it's a good un you will likely get what you paid for it.

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Post by jgra1 »

ahh.. WVO is waste oil, Willy.. 45ppl , maybe 55ppl based on the forecourt prices of fuel. you just need to find a supplier near you... :)

You need to make sure the 406 has a bosch pump.. and as Xac says, you can go higher than 50/50 ..

Runnig on WVO is not completely without problems, but I can vouch about 30-40K so far and the negatives are pretty unsubstantial.

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Post by Citroenmad »

Thats not a bad idea if its possible for you do to so, have both of them and see which you like. You might even make on the Picasso sale, as thats good money.

Id buy a 2004 HDi Picasso for £1K!

Hdis are really not as bad as a lot of people make out, many of them run and run. We have a 2.0HDi 110 C5 with 128K, it drives like new, sounds like new and performs ... you guessed it, like new. I know its one previous owner, who never had any problems with it, and neither have we, its superb.
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Post by willy »

is it possible to more easily diagnose problems with a 2004 2.0 HDI picasso?

what kit would I need to buy to interface and what would it give me.

I do like the idea that i could do all my own fault finding via the ecu saving time and money but am i being too optimistic, i know nothing about these fault diagnostic kits.

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Post by Citroenmad »

A Lexia is what you need, usually a software for your laptop, or the actual dealer unit if you can find one, they are very scarce and expensive though.

Ive had no problems with the electronic side of things with the C5s (x5 now). Ive had to replace one comms unit. Thats it, I wouldn't and don't worry too much about multiplexing.
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Post by wright »

I've a 2.0 hdi 110 c5 with 160k, and i find it quick, quite and economical, the only problem i had was a leaking oil pressure switch, we recently bought a scenic for my wife i would have preferred a picasso, i might still swap the c5 for a diesel picasso but i like the c5 suspension.
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Post by citroenxm »

Xac wrote:
As for a cam belt snapping killing an XUD, nah, Cassy's went at 40mph, replaced the cam and it's caps and she ran fine.
Its the complete Luck of the Draw! You WERE lucky Xac! Ive seen broken belts at lower speeds and still have a bent valve.

But, like you said, with the added work of removing the head and replacing the bent valve, refitting a replacment cam and fiddling the Cam Caps, all was well again.

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