C5 (III) - The future's diesel

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C5 (III) - The future's diesel

Post by RichardW »

Saw this on another forum:

This is the Nov'10 press release for the updated new C5 model range...

C5 Saloon

1.6 HDi 110bhp VTR £19,195
1.6 THP 155bhp VTR+ NAV £20,795
1.6 HDi 110bhp VTR+ NAV £20,795
2.0 HDi 160bhp VTR+ NAV £22,195
2.0 HDi 160bhp Auto VTR+ NAV £23,695
2.0 HDi 160bhp Exclusive £23,295
2.0HDi 160hp Auto Exclusive £24,795
3.0HDi V6 240hp Auto Exclusive £28,495

C5 Tourer

1.6HDi 110hp VTR £20,295
1.6HDi 110hp VTR+ NAV £21,895
2.0HDi 160hp VTR+ NAV £23,295
2.0HDi 160hp Auto VTR+ NAV £24,795
2.0HDi 160hp Exclusive £24,395
2.0HDi 160hp Auto Exclusive £25,895
3.0HDi V6 240hp Auto Exclusive £29,595

Just the one petrol engine left, and only in Saloon guise! I wonder if it has been attracting the company car buyers, who have been buying the diesels in droves because the BIK tax is much lower - hence Cit seeing no UK market for petrols?

2.0HDi 160 BHP (I want one!) - I wonder if that is still using essentially the same bottom end as the old XUD which now goes back the best part of 30 years!!!
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Post by Citroenmad »

Wow, nice prices!

Im not surprised that there is only one petrol version, very few people buy large petrol cars now, their depreciation is massive, as the diesel is the better and more popular choice.
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No, those units are the 3rd Gen HDi family, in co junction with Fraud...

I think it was only the First Gen 8v units - arent these later ones TU based, or simillar?

Oil filter type and place will tell all though!

The HDi used the same oil filter and water pump as XUD, though the Cam belt was a different size.

I seen the new C4 in the Citronian Magazine. 3 DERV units and 2 petrols. Petrol is a single 1600 in different tunes, and DERV are two engines in 3 tunes. 1.6 90 bhp, 1.6 16v 110bhp and a 2.0 16v 150bhp!

Looks like they are reducing Petrol engine offers.

Ive also looked at the new Peugeot 508 comming soon (essentially the latest C5 body!!)

Theres NO V engines AT ALL, petrol or diesel, but some nice HDi units in them!

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No petrol V6 :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

This is the end of civilisation as we know it... :evil:

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I like big petrol engines.

Have driven a couple of diesels - both modern and supposedly 'good' ones, a 2007 Peugeot 307 1.6hdi 110 and a 2007 Toyota Avensis 2.0 d4d. The Avensis is a good motorway cruiser, very quiet ride - not much road or wind noise etc. and the 307 wasnt too bad. Was quite nice to just sit in a high gear, and not have to drop down a gear or even two to get the revs high up like you sometimes have to do to accelerate hard etc. on the high revving petrol engined Rover's and Honda's that I am used too.

However would I have one myself? Nope. My Grandad (who has the Avensis) has said that he would not have another diesel, and he much much prefers the 2.0 16v petrol engine in his old 1997 Ford Mondeo to the 2.0 diesel turbo in his Avensis.
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Its mostly down to cost really, I bought a diesel CX Safari many years ago, I covered over 150,000 miles in it and calculated that what I had saved in fuel over the petrol one paid for the car!

I also prefer the way a diesel drives, plenty of low down torque means that you don't have to change gear very often so its a lazy drive, if you are a more sprited driver I can understand the appeal of the petrol engine.

I recently had a BMW 5 series diesel, it drove more like a petrol model, didn't like it, sold it bought a 406 Hdi - brilliant!

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Post by Sid_the_Squid »

It is sad to see the demise of large petrol engines. :(

Seems to be an inevitable world wide trend, totally understandable given the CO2 tax.
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Post by Paul-R »

It's equally sad to see the "pertrolisation" of the diesel engine driving experience.

I've done all my high revving petrol engine stuff back in my twenties and now I like the long leggedness of diesels. These small revvy turbodiesels are the very antithesis of what a diesel should be.
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I agree :(
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Post by evilally »

EU emissions regulations are killing off all the interesting petrols :( Petrols are either getting downsized to smaller turbo units or done away with altogether. Soon we'll have no choice but to drive around in cars that sound like canal boats :(
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evilally wrote:EU emissions regulations are killing off all the interesting petrols :( Petrols are either getting downsized to smaller turbo units or done away with altogether. Soon we'll have no choice but to drive around in cars that sound like canal boats :(
and soon larger diesels too. Diesel cars put out more Nox than a petrol car of similar spec.
Nox is the new greenhouse gas thats apparently worse than CO2, and as we have all been encouraged to buy diesel cars then if this nox is the cause of global warming then we have only made things worse buy buying diesel.
Mercedes have a 350 cdi blutec (not the blue efficiency) that does less miles per gallon than the blue efficiency, less power, but reduced nox. Apparently the worlds cleanest diesel. But puts out more Co2 than the blue efficiency.
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I think there was a thread a while ago about the larger petrol engines vanishing from a lot of current car line ups. Mainly to do with emissions and popularity i guess. How many Xantia or C5 V6s actually sold, fairly few, but they are excellent units.

I drive a diesel for its drive, the fact there is almost always power there and revs are not needed to get it going. Im a brisk driver and find the low down power excellent for quick but comfortable driving. Having to make good progress in most petrol engined cars requires many many revs, i find this quite entertaining at times, but i dont want to go everywhere reving the bits off the engine just to maintain the speed I want. Diesels provide good performance without trying. I also like the fact that if i got bored with its performance, a remap for a few hundred pounds would transform the car.

I like refined cars, one reason i have a C5, diesels offer refinement that petrols struggle too. Ok so you can often hear a diesel at tickover, but above that they are quiet and refined. The high gearing gives much more refinement at speed, as the engine can not be heard buzzing away like the petrol equivalent.

Obviously running costs come into it, diesels are far cheaper to fuel and usually tax too. My diesel C5 has lower running costs than our tiny 1.0 Seat, way better on fuel and the same to tax.

I like driving petrols from time to time, but id always choose a diesel version.
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Post by Peter.N. »

Diesels will also reward you well for driving them gently, I'm still driving a 15year old XM estate which has more space and better comfort than pretty well any other car on the market and that will return over 50 mpg on a longish journey, I also have a 406 Hdi estate which does 50 mpg all the time, 60 on a run, not many petrols of the same size will come near that. With the continual increase in fuel prices this has got to be a major factor - especially if you are trying to live (unsucessfully) on a state pension. :D

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Post by Jeff »

As Citreonmad said " the high gearing gives much more refinement at speed, as the engine can not be heard buzzing away like the petrol equivalent. Obviously running costs come into it, diesels are far cheaper to fuel and usually tax too"

Thats exactly my thoughts too..driving a petrol engine that revs like mad on the motorway when your doing over 50 mph....it feels like it is struggling and also has the effect of making your wallet thinner.
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Jeff wrote: the high gearing gives much more refinement at speed, as the engine can not be heard buzzing away like the petrol equivalent.
Quite right.

(Uninformed) people talk of diesel cars being noisier than petrol but this is only from outside the car, at rest and usually when cold. If you're inside the car and on the move then it's a quieter, more relaxed drive. Cruising at motorway speeds is a FAR better experience with diesel compared to petrol.
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