1997 pug 1.8 petrol

skyclad · Unread post by **skyclad** » 29 Oct 2010, 18:47

How the devil do you get the timing belt cover off ? Got the 3 top screws out and slid the levr up but it still refusing to budge..

Unread post by **CitroJim** » 29 Oct 2010, 20:43

It may help if we know the exact engine and car Mr. Skyclad

Normally the cam covers don't often put up that much of a fight although there is often some manipulation required. I suspect you have not removed all the fixings. They are good at hiding!

spider · Unread post by **spider** » 29 Oct 2010, 20:50

I can't remember if the petrols' have the silly 11mm (or so) bolt around the back of the top cover. Lifting the 'slide' up is something I do remember, although it must be at least 5 years since I saw one...

skyclad · Unread post by **skyclad** » 29 Oct 2010, 20:51

its a 97 XU engine. I've done all the ones I can find, it is loose but wont budge. Are there some more little buggers on the bottom to undo?

Unread post by **CitroJim** » 29 Oct 2010, 20:52

skyclad wrote:its a 97 XU engine.

8 or 16 valve?

skyclad · Unread post by **skyclad** » 29 Oct 2010, 20:58

I think, although not absolutly certain, its a 16 valve.

spider · Unread post by **spider** » 29 Oct 2010, 21:01

Will be 16valve unless import, all are 16v apart from exec (which has the 8v turbo unit, in most cases)

spider · Unread post by **spider** » 29 Oct 2010, 21:02

Actually, I think you may have to remove a bolt out of the bottom cover, thinking again. I think it might be 'shared'

skyclad · Unread post by **skyclad** » 01 Nov 2010, 12:55

Got the cover off at last (remove the engine mounting) What a palaver!! Now back to original problem...

The car refused to start and when it turned over sounded like lack of compression. Car was been fine the day before. Got sparks got fuel?? Suspected timing belt... Belt looks in good condition and shouldn't be due for renewal.

Now the exhaust and inlet cams line up ok with their holes but the crankshaft seems way out. I've heard that the rubber bush on the pulley can slip and render the timing hole a complete waste of space.

Is there any other way to check the crank position??

Toby_HDi · Unread post by **Toby_HDi** » 01 Nov 2010, 13:13

The crank pulley timing hole can be checked by using a suitable solid pulley.

I can't recall which engines they are fitted to, I was told but have forgotten. I got mine from a 205.

These pulleys are solid and have no rubber dampener so the hole does not move. Just whip the aux belt off, temporarily replace your crank pulley with the solid one and turn the engine and check the hole does indeed line up.

If your crank pulley timing hole has indeed gone AWOL then you need to change the pulley.

Also, remember the crank turns twice for each revolution of the cams, I know this is basic and my apologies if I'm teaching you suck eggs but make sure you've not got the crank 180 degrees out.

skyclad · Unread post by **skyclad** » 02 Nov 2010, 10:09

Is there a flywheel locking hole on this engine? If there is can I use it to set the crank position for timing belt.

Or can someone point me to a link that shows a snap of the 205 steel pully so I can work out roughly if my pulley has actually slipped by comparing the position of the hole with the woodruff key.

Ta muchly.

spider · Unread post by **spider** » 02 Nov 2010, 10:47

They do not have the hole in the bellhousing / flywheel.

There's a casting on the block behind the crank pulley.

I would say it has slipped

, a solid pulley may be the best option here (possibly something like a early 405 1.6 or something, although I'm not 100% sure if these have that, its been a long time)

In the garage I used to work at, we had a new pulley just for this purpose (so if it was out, we could temporarily fit that and then get it right) , as most customers would not want to buy a new one. I suppose I could of said we could not do the job without it (which is true) but I guess I am too honest.

skyclad · Unread post by **skyclad** » 02 Nov 2010, 10:50

Thanks Andy... I'm going to nip out now and have a bash.