Ok guys,
don't shout at me [:)] I know oil additives cause a lot of controversy so how about these magnetic fuel conditioners? (Ecoflow for example)
A government test seemd to indicate that they work, the AA is sceptical because there don't appear to be any sound explanations as to how they work, but that seems a bit of a cop out, we don't know the exact in and outs of how a black hole works but they exist and just because the methodology is unknown does not mean they don't exist
Anyone out there with any experience of them? fuel conditioners that is not black holes!![:p][:p][8D]
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Jon I've a pdf file of the govt. tests which offers an explanation, its 24K, but I'm not sure of whether I'm allowed to post things like that, there's no problem with copyright, I'm just not sure whether the forum allows it mean while the web address is: http://www.mghmarketing.co.uk/products/ ... spring.pdf, I know this is a commercial site but the report was independant
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Pete,
I think the size of the pdf you speak of would kill it as there is a limit to the size of postings these forums can take, however, there is no problem posting the link/URL so that anyone interested can follow it through.
As far as fuel conditioners go, we had a great debate on a board in Oz a few months back as it related to things to limit valve seat recession & eventually the silver canister was given the thumbs up to counter valve seat recession in cars designed to run on leaded petrol.
I personally feel that it is hard to separate rhetoric from fact with things like this as often it comes out in the wash that those endorsing them also have their research funded directly or indirectly by those making them in the first place, hence the favourable findings.
I once jokingly did an exercise on a forum where I added the potential savings in consumption using all the things advertised and based on their claimed savings; 10% for using a certain oil, 20% for using a fan thing in the intake; 10% using certain brands of tyres; 10% for an additive in the oil and so on, & asked the question at which point whilst I'm driving the car does the tank overflow??
Cynical, but true when you look at it in a practical sense.
Alan S [}:)]
I think the size of the pdf you speak of would kill it as there is a limit to the size of postings these forums can take, however, there is no problem posting the link/URL so that anyone interested can follow it through.
As far as fuel conditioners go, we had a great debate on a board in Oz a few months back as it related to things to limit valve seat recession & eventually the silver canister was given the thumbs up to counter valve seat recession in cars designed to run on leaded petrol.
I personally feel that it is hard to separate rhetoric from fact with things like this as often it comes out in the wash that those endorsing them also have their research funded directly or indirectly by those making them in the first place, hence the favourable findings.
I once jokingly did an exercise on a forum where I added the potential savings in consumption using all the things advertised and based on their claimed savings; 10% for using a certain oil, 20% for using a fan thing in the intake; 10% using certain brands of tyres; 10% for an additive in the oil and so on, & asked the question at which point whilst I'm driving the car does the tank overflow??
Cynical, but true when you look at it in a practical sense.
Alan S [}:)]
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It would be great wouldn't it ?, pepetual motion & time travel would seem to be just around the corner 
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Hi Jon
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Can someone please explain how cable tying what is basically a magnet to the fuel line helps lower fuel consumption?
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There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio.....
Salford university did a study about five years ago as to why tying magnets onto household water pipes was claimed to reduce calcium build-up in your domestic hot water tank. After two years of testing on more than 200 magnetic devices, they said they hadn't got a clue as to why these things worked, but they absolutely definitely did.
The theory (insofar as there is a theory) is that the magnet jumbles up the polarity of the molecules in the impurities as they pass through the water pipe - instead of letting them all adopt the same polarity, which is their natural tendency. When the molecules can't all point the same way, they're much less able to coagulate into big blocks and clog things up.
Oh well, that's the theory as far as it goes. Now, does it apply to fuel as well as water? I really haven't a clue. But I'll tell you this - that the magnet on our household shower pipe keeps the shower head beautifully clear of scale.[^] We wouldn't be without it.
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Can someone please explain how cable tying what is basically a magnet to the fuel line helps lower fuel consumption?
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There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio.....
Salford university did a study about five years ago as to why tying magnets onto household water pipes was claimed to reduce calcium build-up in your domestic hot water tank. After two years of testing on more than 200 magnetic devices, they said they hadn't got a clue as to why these things worked, but they absolutely definitely did.
The theory (insofar as there is a theory) is that the magnet jumbles up the polarity of the molecules in the impurities as they pass through the water pipe - instead of letting them all adopt the same polarity, which is their natural tendency. When the molecules can't all point the same way, they're much less able to coagulate into big blocks and clog things up.
Oh well, that's the theory as far as it goes. Now, does it apply to fuel as well as water? I really haven't a clue. But I'll tell you this - that the magnet on our household shower pipe keeps the shower head beautifully clear of scale.[^] We wouldn't be without it.
I'm sure I remember a test years ago with a magnetic device, on a leaded-only Metro I think. The valve seats got knackered just the same!
Anyway, has anybody tried one of these? http://www.ecotekplc.co.uk/technical.htm
Anyway, has anybody tried one of these? http://www.ecotekplc.co.uk/technical.htm
Well well well - if I fit 4 will i have to drain my tank every week?
When i hear of remarkable claims such as those for ecotec I immediately think 'Why are the manufacturers such dummies that they don't fit it as standard?' I then hear of conspiracies between manufacturers and oil companies to make us buy more fuel and so on.
Once upon a time manufacturers unleashed some very unrefined motors for us poor unsuspecting public and it was possible to improve things simply by replacing a nasty uathsmatic carburrettor with a better one or something simple. Numerous 'economy devices were available, some of which may have worked by simply covering up a glaring defect in the design or the effects of bad maintainance or similar.
With modern expensive fuel, company car taxation based on emmissions, hi-tech engines (No 16valves in 1965! - first Ford RS1600 Escort? - 1968?) I would venture to say that things have got better and consumption and emmissions are now vitally important to manufacturers and if they could get a 20% improvement in any figure then they would fit the device, as after all the cost as an OE fitment would only be a few pence.
I know there are some genuine performance and other devices out there and their application is obvious - eg hot camshafts, exhausts etc. they all work on tried and tested theories as do chips etc - but these economy devices - no!
jeremy
When i hear of remarkable claims such as those for ecotec I immediately think 'Why are the manufacturers such dummies that they don't fit it as standard?' I then hear of conspiracies between manufacturers and oil companies to make us buy more fuel and so on.
Once upon a time manufacturers unleashed some very unrefined motors for us poor unsuspecting public and it was possible to improve things simply by replacing a nasty uathsmatic carburrettor with a better one or something simple. Numerous 'economy devices were available, some of which may have worked by simply covering up a glaring defect in the design or the effects of bad maintainance or similar.
With modern expensive fuel, company car taxation based on emmissions, hi-tech engines (No 16valves in 1965! - first Ford RS1600 Escort? - 1968?) I would venture to say that things have got better and consumption and emmissions are now vitally important to manufacturers and if they could get a 20% improvement in any figure then they would fit the device, as after all the cost as an OE fitment would only be a few pence.
I know there are some genuine performance and other devices out there and their application is obvious - eg hot camshafts, exhausts etc. they all work on tried and tested theories as do chips etc - but these economy devices - no!
jeremy
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Hmm....fascinating stuff that magnetism, without it this planet would probably be a cinder at worst, at best we wouldn't all be staring into our computer screen's[:D]
As far as fuel economy is concerned I'm not convinced there would be any saving, I suppose there could be benefits gained by helping keep the fuel system a bit cleaner if it has the same effect on the particles in fuel as with the calcium in water.
One area where magnetism is used to great effect is in marine fuel systems, where an alternating magnetic field is used to rupture the cell wall of the microbes that infest large marine diesel fuel tanks.
Dave
As far as fuel economy is concerned I'm not convinced there would be any saving, I suppose there could be benefits gained by helping keep the fuel system a bit cleaner if it has the same effect on the particles in fuel as with the calcium in water.
One area where magnetism is used to great effect is in marine fuel systems, where an alternating magnetic field is used to rupture the cell wall of the microbes that infest large marine diesel fuel tanks.
Dave