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dieseldoggy · Post by **dieseldoggy** » 01 Jul 2010, 18:29

Hi just been poking underneath when checking pads.The rubber bush on end of wishbone where rack and crossmember are is looking abit fraggled? abit of movement.

Can you change that bush or is it a new wishbone?
Has used to be able to get from proflex etc in ureathane to replace when i had fords.well building my sierra.

Did cross my mind to fill voids init with tiger seal.(polyureathane mastic stuff)
Sim to what they use to put screens in with then leave for few days to go off?

Well it worked on jag bumpers when all the bolts sheared off and stuck on and still on 8 odd years ago

cachaciero · Post by **cachaciero** » 01 Jul 2010, 19:31

dieseldoggy wrote:Hi just been poking underneath when checking pads.The rubber bush on end of wishbone where rack and crossmember are is looking abit fraggled? abit of movement.

Can you change that bush or is it a new wishbone?
Has used to be able to get from proflex etc in ureathane to replace when i had fords.well building my sierra.

Did cross my mind to fill voids init with tiger seal.(polyureathane mastic stuff)
Sim to what they use to put screens in with then leave for few days to go off?

Well it worked on jag bumpers when all the bolts sheared off and stuck on and still on 8 odd years ago

Funny you should say that I reckon that anbody doing urethane replacement bushes for a C5 could do very well, unfortunately hava not found anybody.

As regards mastics / rubber thought about that too the other day when looking at a product called CT1, glues anything to anything and has a reasonably hard modulus of elasticity trouble is most rubber bushes have variable directional compliances so I guess one would have to work out where to put a lot of mastic in and where to put less

. Decided to try it out on the cracked soles of a pair of shoes I have first

cachaciero

dieseldoggy · Post by **dieseldoggy** » 01 Jul 2010, 22:48

Hi to be honest i wasn't to worried about that more on doing mot first then change if need be later.
Pro-flex plus a few others make those bushes they can also make to size/spec and shore hardness for you.
My sierra was fully poly bushed and drove like a Kart so responsive like on rails.
Used to do the M25/M11 split from anti clock onto m11 south bound at near 90

jgra1 · Post by **jgra1** » 01 Jul 2010, 22:54

there was talk on another forum (406 coupe) about ordering enough bushes in urethane.. wonder if 406 are same as xant or C5? unlikely..

John

Post by **RichardW** » 02 Jul 2010, 08:10

They're not really bushes on the Xantia - they're more pivot points. The flex in the bush actually provides the rotation for the wishbone. If you went a soid bush, you'd have no suspension movement.... be just like driving a German car

Post by **DHallworth** » 02 Jul 2010, 08:43

You can get them from Citroen for £35 each or around £17 each from a factors.

I bought two on eBay including delivery for £35 last week.

I realised when I got them though that they need pressed onto the wishbone and the angle that they go on at is critical. Unfortunately our press is out of commission at the moment so I had to return them and change the who wishbones at a cost of £61 a side.

David.

jgra1 · Post by **jgra1** » 02 Jul 2010, 09:47

good point Richard

dieseldoggy · Post by **dieseldoggy** » 02 Jul 2010, 16:57

Are they pressed onto end of arm or into large metal bit that goes round bush then i think bolts to cross memeber?
Need to see/find a diagram to have a gander.

Alot of bushes etc are standard size as most manufacturers like to have a rootsey in parts bin? but there is exceptions? I'E french cars lol.

BL used to just turn everything round on a new motor (yep that will do?)

And if it wern't for the japs we would still be riding BSA bantams.

With the polybushes the movement is on the S's sleeve in middle
one on arm is a void bush with open parts either side to give it some flex/movement/compliance.

dnsey · Post by **dnsey** » 02 Jul 2010, 17:30

And if it wern't for the japs we would still be riding BSA bantams

What's wrong with that - my Bantam was great fun, and taught me a lot about stripping and rebuilding engines

f00lzz · Post by **f00lzz** » 02 Jul 2010, 18:21

dnsey wrote:
And if it wern't for the japs we would still be riding BSA bantams
What's wrong with that - my Bantam was great fun, and taught me a lot about stripping and rebuilding engines

I know we are off topic but I couldn't help adding that I read recently that the Bantam was a German design taken in 'recompense' after the war.. talk about the Japs nicking our ideas!!!

addo · Post by **addo** » 02 Jul 2010, 23:51

dieseldoggy wrote:Are they pressed onto end of arm or into large metal bit that goes round bush then i think bolts to cross memeber?
Need to see/find a diagram to have a gander.

They (complete bushes, including outer steel jacket) are pressed onto machined stubs which form part of the arm forging.

dieseldoggy · Post by **dieseldoggy** » 03 Jul 2010, 12:57

f00lzz wrote:
dnsey wrote:
And if it wern't for the japs we would still be riding BSA bantams
What's wrong with that - my Bantam was great fun, and taught me a lot about stripping and rebuilding engines
I know we are off topic but I couldn't help adding that I read recently that the Bantam was a German design taken in 'recompense' after the war.. talk about the Japs nicking our ideas!!!

The original yamaha design was an english guy who couldn't get any backing here so took it to japan.

dieseldoggy · Post by **dieseldoggy** » 04 Jul 2010, 12:38

Hi found some bushes and arms on the flea bay.
How or what fixes are at front? can see another stub on wishbone on front end but not sure what goes onto it and does that need doing also?

dieseldoggy · Post by **dieseldoggy** » 06 Jul 2010, 13:14

Hi all just been having a look for some new bushes! Rang GSF they gave me two prices? one they say is their make(chinese) Vtech.£13.60+ and £20.50+ for they say OE quality?
Have shop near me that do have FAI ones for £18.70 each.

plus found some on flea bay but dont know what makes they are?

Which ones are worth going for if anyone knows?

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