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Hi all been a hectic week been borrowing friends car's to keep us going car is due mot next week, I knew it needed front discs and pads bad enough but clutch has just started slipping badly. It has got 56000 on it,what mileage have other people had out of there's? Also does 500 notes sound reasonable for clutch,discs and pads, mot I am using a specialist in grimsby cheers.
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Post by Citroenmad »

How long have you had your C5?

56K is very little for a clutch to last. C5 HDis have a dual mass flywheel, which can be known to fail (usually 70K onwards) and cause a slipping clutch i believe. However if the clutch has been used heavily then it could easily be worn out by that mileage. Ive known cars get through clutches in under 20K miles, depends how they are driven.

If you have had the car a while and dont abuse the clutch then it could be the DMF, which is a bit clostly to replace and i asume your quote doesnt cover for that to be replaced.

Most likely a worn friction plate, if so the cost seems reasonable and about right i would say.
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Hi thanks for your input we have had it 5 yrs over the last year the biting point has been getting higher,slips under moderate acceleration between 2 and 2half thousand revs. Used mainly on journeys of 10-20 miles.
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Post by Citroenmad »

I dont think the biting point becoming higher is a sign of DMF failure, thats more likely just friction plate wear. Though its still quite low mileage for it to be worn out, though as i said it depends how it has been used. Keeping the car still on a hill with the clutch etc.

Sounds like a reasonable price as i said, im sure you could get it a little cheaper but with the new discs and pads too its not too far off. And since its a specialist they will know what they are doing and have probably done them before, always a good thing!
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Was quite pleased with the price, was originally. 565 but managed to get them down to the same price as another garage :D. As you said they are a Citroen specialist, used to be a barkers main dealer but they went bust,so the old mechanics bought the equipment and workshop. They activated cruise control a few months back too,just didntwant to go back guite so soon :(
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Post by citronut »

that price dose sound about right, but not if it needs the DMF replaceing whilst they are in there, i have pesonaly had the plesure of these as yet, but i think the new fly wheel aint very cheap on its own without labour,

i think Steve (myglaren) has had experiance of tem and there cost

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Post by myglaren »

Yep, I had the DMF and clutch replaced last year and it was, including one or two other odds and sods, £498.
Your £500 for clutch and - presuming all four- discs and pads is not unreasonable at all.

Do get them to examine the DMF while the clutch is off as although it will increase the cost by at least £130 it is better than having it replaced in a year's time where you will be paying twice for the same labour costs.

While they are doing the rear discs, have them check the alignment of the rear calipers. They develop corrosion between the caliper and mounting point that pushes them out of line, considerably if left unattended which results in uneven wear on the pads and eventually the discs. You can see from shape of the pads when they come out if this is required. They will likely advise you of this anyway.

On refitting, most people smear a layer of grease between the caliper and mount, others make a very thin gasket of polythene, that stops or reduces the emf that leads to the corrosion.
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Steve i very much doubt that will include rear disc's and pads as well for that money

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Thanks for info guys,yes it is just front discs and pads the backs were renewed last year discs pads and the dreaded corrosion had gone to far with calipers had em renewed too.have had the surfaces greased and liner put between faces 1 yr on there good as new :)
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My experience with DMFs is that it's often very difficult to tell whether they're worn or not. Generally I now advise that if the DMF isn't changed I cannot guarantee the clutch. It may sound strange but I'd rather not get the job than have an angry customer come back to me in 3 months asking what's happened to his new clutch. It's virtually impossible to check DMFs visually without special measuring equipment. I will now be vilified by all but I stick to that decision!!
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'02 2.0 hdi, 197k still on original clutch as far as i know.
bought at 2.5 yrs old, 85k, nothing in service history to say clutch done.
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flying clutchman wrote:My experience with DMFs is that it's often very difficult to tell whether they're worn or not. Generally I now advise that if the DMF isn't changed I cannot guarantee the clutch. It may sound strange but I'd rather not get the job than have an angry customer come back to me in 3 months asking what's happened to his new clutch. It's virtually impossible to check DMFs visually without special measuring equipment. I will now be vilified by all but I stick to that decision!!
That sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
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Our previous C5 estate had a new clutch at 105K miles but the DMF was still fine. Dont know if it was inspected or not when the new one was fitted, but it worked fine.

My 52reg SX 2.0HDi hatch had its DMF fail at around 70K miles, even though the friction plate was still very good. It now has a solid flywheel, some people say its a bad idea to convert from DMF to a solid one, but this one is fine 52K miles on.
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Post by bencowell »

Your SX had the clutch replaced at 60k as there was slippage under heavy acceleration between 2000 and 2500 revs. Heavy acceleration includes using the cruise control!

So it's done more miles than you think on the solid flywheel.

I do hope they bring one out for the 2.2 as I want to keep this car forever!
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Post by Citroenmad »

Oh, so its done 62K miles on a solid flywheel, thats more than it managed on a DMF then. Point proven perhaps? :lol:

Seems low for it to have gone, but they do go at all kinds of mileages, typically 70K miles ive heard. So im getting ready to look forward to it going on the VTR :roll:

So they dont do one for the 2.2 Ben? Thats a shame. Thats dissapointing you like it so much though, i was hoping to have that one off you in a few years too! :lol:

Im hoping to swap mine for a facelifted HDi 16v, either 1.6 or 2.0, sometime soon. Will have to see how mine behaves.
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