Is this engine an HDi 90 or 110 bhp

Gregg1100 · Post by **Gregg1100** » 07 Jan 2010, 00:13

Hi,
Looking at ebay last night and saw an Xantia advertised. The car is advertised as an HDi 110, but I thought the HDi 110's had another air pipe running alongside the airbox. This pic of engine looks the same as an HDi90. Or am I wrong again

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/ ... F-wjhU.jpg
Greg

Citroenmad · Post by **Citroenmad** » 07 Jan 2010, 00:17

Yes Greg your absolutely right, that is the 90bhp version, as its missing the second pipe which runs to the left of the air box.

citroenxm · Post by **citroenxm** » 07 Jan 2010, 17:10

Ditto,

Thats a HDi 90!! Theres no intercooler...

paul

lexi · Post by **lexi** » 07 Jan 2010, 18:34

Rightly or wrongly it`s also a good bit less desirable and lower priced generally to the 110bhp HDI model.

citroenxm · Post by **citroenxm** » 07 Jan 2010, 18:37

Damm right, 90bhp's are not really worth it, the extra excitment and BETTER Fuel economy from 110bhp's make them WELL WORTH the extra!

Paul

howiedean · Post by **howiedean** » 07 Jan 2010, 20:30

lexi wrote:Rightly or wrongly it`s also a good bit less desirable and lower priced generally to the 110bhp HDI model.

As Paul has already said the 110 is the one to go for, the extra 20bhp makes all the difference. It is also worth noting that the 110 gearbox is more leisurely and smoother which makes for better cruising.

Howie

Citroenmad · Post by **Citroenmad** » 07 Jan 2010, 22:00

Also slightly longer geared the 110 i think. 90s are usually easier to come by though.

citroenxm · Post by **citroenxm** » 07 Jan 2010, 22:04

Defeantly better gearing.. 90's use PUSH Clutch, and calbe operation too, 110bhp are Hydraulic clutches...and cable gear change. I think 90 gearbox's are still linkages, but I dont know for certain..

Paul

Xaccers · Post by **Xaccers** » 07 Jan 2010, 22:25

citroenxm wrote:Defeantly better gearing.. 90's use PUSH Clutch, and calbe operation too, 110bhp are Hydraulic clutches...and cable gear change. I think 90 gearbox's are still linkages, but I dont know for certain..

Paul

Yup they are, Cassy has a 90BHP Hdi gearbox.

citroenxm · Post by **citroenxm** » 07 Jan 2010, 22:28

Xac, Are 90bhp gear ratios any different to the "Normal" Xud gearbox? Is 5th gear lower IE: 80mph @3000rpm..

Paul

Xaccers · Post by **Xaccers** » 07 Jan 2010, 22:32

citroenxm wrote:Xac, Are 90bhp gear ratios any different to the "Normal" Xud gearbox? Is 5th gear lower IE: 80mph @3000rpm..

Paul

Yes, the other gears seem the same as the XUD.
It's knocked about 5mph off the top speed though.

citroenxm · Post by **citroenxm** » 07 Jan 2010, 22:35

Sorry Xac.... 80 @ 3000 rpm?? in 5th??

Thats roughly the same as the XUD Box... no gain there then...

PAul

Xaccers · Post by **Xaccers** » 07 Jan 2010, 22:38

citroenxm wrote:Sorry Xac.... 80 @ 3000 rpm?? in 5th??

Thats roughly the same as the XUD Box... no gain there then...

PAul

Yes, I'm sure Cassy was doing 75 in 5th before. Maybe I'm wrong.
She is only able to do 110 now on veg whereas before that was the top derv speed, with 115 on veg.

Come to think of it, I'm sure Juliet does 3000rpm at 80. Not found her top speed yet... but its definitely more than Cassy's

citroenxm · Post by **citroenxm** » 07 Jan 2010, 22:44

I stuck a Tuning Box on a Xantia HDi 110bhp, put it on Top Setting, NO IDEA what the gain was, floored the car and watched the needle wizz round to an idicated 135mph... and she was still going a bit

The Box was one that went inbtween the Injectors and Injector plugs on the original loom...

Now thats impressive!

Paul

howiedean · Post by **howiedean** » 08 Jan 2010, 07:36

Xac wrote:
citroenxm wrote:Defeantly better gearing.. 90's use PUSH Clutch, and calbe operation too, 110bhp are Hydraulic clutches...and cable gear change. I think 90 gearbox's are still linkages, but I dont know for certain..

Paul
Yup they are, Cassy has a 90BHP Hdi gearbox.

I did the same thing a few years ago with my 1.9td Xantia..... wish I had tweaked the pump now for some extra power.

I don't know if it just me or not but in the three cars that have had the 90BHP (BE3) gearbox, I've noticed more whine than the 110BHP box?

Howie