Xantia..Time for work.
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Xantia..Time for work.
Old Xantia donk has served me well this summer yet again. Many jobs need doing now. 98 R 1.9TD Estate 117k. Cam belt, tensioner and water pump are in a bag ready for fitting. In the same bag is Aux belt and Eccentric Tensioner. I need the other tensioner before I start.
Now to renew these items can you give the easiest order for the work before I dip my head in the manual (bedtime read).
Now to renew these items can you give the easiest order for the work before I dip my head in the manual (bedtime read).
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assuming you'll do it all in one go...
whip it all off and
drain coolant,
change pump,
do the cambelt tensioner,
then the cambelt,
do the aux belt tensioner,
then put the aux belt back on,
then refill the coolant remembering to bleed at the appropriate points as the coolant level gets higher,
maybe turn engine by hand first incase it's out of time,
personally i'd finish off with a nice oil change, and all filters,
job done
whip it all off and
drain coolant,
change pump,
do the cambelt tensioner,
then the cambelt,
do the aux belt tensioner,
then put the aux belt back on,
then refill the coolant remembering to bleed at the appropriate points as the coolant level gets higher,
maybe turn engine by hand first incase it's out of time,
personally i'd finish off with a nice oil change, and all filters,
job done
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Yep, that's about it Dei There's a guide on here how to do the aux.belt tensioner Lexi.
In addition to oil and filters, also do an LHM change and LHM filters. Then you're good for the winter...
This is absolutely essential and it's essential to lock the crank, despite the fiddliness of finding the hole behind the starter motor. Sometimes it's easiest to remove the starter motor.deian wrote: maybe turn engine by hand first incase it's out of time,
In addition to oil and filters, also do an LHM change and LHM filters. Then you're good for the winter...
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Thanks guys. Yes all in one go. All LHM and Hydraflushed 3k ago. Locking Crank is a bolt........what size? You mean turn by hand in case a tooth out or 180 deg out?
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To also verify. There is only one Auxiliary belt tensioner to renew? I thought there were two.
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Would imagine the Crank pulley just turns by hand. The paint radiator handle tip in hints section?......sounds good?.......for locking crank.
Still wondering if the second aux belt tensioner I am thinking of is part of the eccentric one ? I only have the new one which is just like a big bearing.
Still wondering if the second aux belt tensioner I am thinking of is part of the eccentric one ? I only have the new one which is just like a big bearing.
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Hi Lexi, i would definately recommend removing the start motor to access the hole where you will fit the locking peg (short M8 bolt) to time the crankshaft.
To turn the engine by hand simply screw back in the bolt from the end of the crankshaft that you removed to take off the auxiliary belt pulley and use a suitable socket to turn over the engine - turn it clockwise only It will help if you remove either the glowplugs or the injectors from the head as you'll not be battling against compression.
Good luck Colin.P
To turn the engine by hand simply screw back in the bolt from the end of the crankshaft that you removed to take off the auxiliary belt pulley and use a suitable socket to turn over the engine - turn it clockwise only It will help if you remove either the glowplugs or the injectors from the head as you'll not be battling against compression.
Good luck Colin.P
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Xantia has only ONE Aux belt, and if you have air con a long one which has a complex route if you not been there before.. TAKE NOT OF ITS ROUTE CAREFULLY!!!
A 6mm ALLEN key is also a ok locking pin, i always use one, the angled end helps you hold the key while you locate the hole with the long end..
Paul
A 6mm ALLEN key is also a ok locking pin, i always use one, the angled end helps you hold the key while you locate the hole with the long end..
Paul
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Hi Lexi,
"The paint radiator handle tip in hints section" - I've not tried this hint yet - could be good idea. I've always used an 8mm dia bolt (minus head) fixed to the end of piece of stiff wire (coat hanger? can't remember). I've never removed starter motor, which really makes it difficult to see what you are doing, but it is possible! Maybe you'll remove starter first time you do job, to understand where the dam hole is. Seeing the hole behind starter motor is not easy, especially if you don't know if you're looking in the right place! When I did job first time, after locking the crank, I painted white mark with tippex on to flywheel through a hole in top of bell housing, so that I now know when I'm getting the crank close to the timing position. You have to be spot on with the alignment, or the bolt won't slip into place - 1-2 mm out and it won't go
As regards turning the crank by hand, obviously easier if there's no compression, but I'm not sure if it's really worth the hassle of removing glowplugs (you won't want to remove Nos 3 or 4!), or the injectors (plus their pipework?). I turn the engine over couple of times after fitting new belt, to settle everything down, and then recheck timing. Haynes recommends this. I just accept it's more difficult turning the engine over due to there being compression. I'd rather do it this way, than disturb the glowplugs/injectors.
Interested to hear what you do, and how you get on.
Good luck - Martin
"The paint radiator handle tip in hints section" - I've not tried this hint yet - could be good idea. I've always used an 8mm dia bolt (minus head) fixed to the end of piece of stiff wire (coat hanger? can't remember). I've never removed starter motor, which really makes it difficult to see what you are doing, but it is possible! Maybe you'll remove starter first time you do job, to understand where the dam hole is. Seeing the hole behind starter motor is not easy, especially if you don't know if you're looking in the right place! When I did job first time, after locking the crank, I painted white mark with tippex on to flywheel through a hole in top of bell housing, so that I now know when I'm getting the crank close to the timing position. You have to be spot on with the alignment, or the bolt won't slip into place - 1-2 mm out and it won't go
As regards turning the crank by hand, obviously easier if there's no compression, but I'm not sure if it's really worth the hassle of removing glowplugs (you won't want to remove Nos 3 or 4!), or the injectors (plus their pipework?). I turn the engine over couple of times after fitting new belt, to settle everything down, and then recheck timing. Haynes recommends this. I just accept it's more difficult turning the engine over due to there being compression. I'd rather do it this way, than disturb the glowplugs/injectors.
Interested to hear what you do, and how you get on.
Good luck - Martin
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Right guys ..thanks for all replys. Yes I realise that there is only one belt
and I have the long belt with aircon. Still looking for the answer to the tensioners. I want to renew all the tensioner mechanisms that can wear.
I have the eccentric bearing . Is there another part to fit that I can buy?. I don`t intend to go back in here again so would rather replace everything.
Jim mentions the spring tensioner part that is pulled back but may not pull back if it is seized. Is this another renewable part?
and I have the long belt with aircon. Still looking for the answer to the tensioners. I want to renew all the tensioner mechanisms that can wear.
I have the eccentric bearing . Is there another part to fit that I can buy?. I don`t intend to go back in here again so would rather replace everything.
Jim mentions the spring tensioner part that is pulled back but may not pull back if it is seized. Is this another renewable part?
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No, thats all really.. if you have the eccentric, and the spring AND tensioner, thats all there is on the Aux belt side.. Cam belt, well, theres water pump, tensioner and idler which is below the Injection Pump pully.. HOWEVER, I may get shouted at, this is an XUD which uses Metal pullys in the Cam Belt area, and SO FAR Ive NEVER seen a failure in these! Water pumps a MUST DO!!
The Cam belt spring tensioner is a bit of a sod to change ONLY because theres not an easy way to hold the Spring Plunger inplace while you remove the tensioner, unless I missed something..
Theres a 13mm bolt (FROM THE TOP) below the Cam sprocket, and a 13mm nut it pivots on, but Im not sure how to hold the plunger in place, I let the thing go, then try and push it back up while I slide the NEW tensioner back on ..
Paul
The Cam belt spring tensioner is a bit of a sod to change ONLY because theres not an easy way to hold the Spring Plunger inplace while you remove the tensioner, unless I missed something..
Theres a 13mm bolt (FROM THE TOP) below the Cam sprocket, and a 13mm nut it pivots on, but Im not sure how to hold the plunger in place, I let the thing go, then try and push it back up while I slide the NEW tensioner back on ..
Paul
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Re: turning by hand, yes i mean by hand first, one tooth or 180o out could be bad, don't think about doing it on the starter, it will turn the engine with relative ease and MAY start, it will also be a much stronger than a human arm if the pistons hit the valves, at least you have a chance to feel any undue resistance besides the compression.
you turn it by using a socket on the crank pulley, or the camshaft if it's easier.
thats how i would do it anyway, everyone has their ways, but i like to play it safe
you turn it by using a socket on the crank pulley, or the camshaft if it's easier.
thats how i would do it anyway, everyone has their ways, but i like to play it safe
Wot?.....you mean my Xantia aint got no starting handledeian wrote:Re: turning by hand, yes i mean by hand first, one tooth or 180o out could be bad, don't think about doing it on the starter, it will turn the engine with relative ease and MAY start, it will also be a much stronger than a human arm if the pistons hit the valves, at least you have a chance to feel any undue resistance besides the compression.
you turn it by using a socket on the crank pulley, or the camshaft if it's easier.
thats how i would do it anyway, everyone has their ways, but i like to play it safe
Can`t say I`m looking forward to the faffing. Ah well ! never been beat yet !
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what i'd do, use a socket and ratchet, then lock the ratchet to the way the engine turns so when you work against the compression it doesn't spring back and hurts ur hand and also so you can carry one turning the engine
if there isn't much space for a ratchet/rocket combination, then maybe use a ratchet ring spanner if you have one, if it's isn't long enough or no space for your hand to get down to get yourself the movement find a pipe that can slip over the ratchet(/spanner)
if there isn't much space for a ratchet/rocket combination, then maybe use a ratchet ring spanner if you have one, if it's isn't long enough or no space for your hand to get down to get yourself the movement find a pipe that can slip over the ratchet(/spanner)