Xantia 3.0 24V on French ebay.

rmunns · Unread post by **rmunns** » 13 Oct 2009, 17:00

See how much money they fetch over here!

This is on ebay.france but can be looked at on ebay.co.uk

Item number 110443965454

Ross_K · Unread post by **Ross_K** » 13 Oct 2009, 17:15

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0443965454

deian · Unread post by **deian** » 13 Oct 2009, 18:15

Hope he's got the handbrake on, he left the car in neutral not park.

Nice car though, not citroen alloys but they aren't too bad for the car. Nice condition on the seats.

In £sterling, that is £6313.06p, maybe we shouldn't discuss it too much in case people cotton on and start putting their prices up over here.

Citroenmad · Unread post by **Citroenmad** » 13 Oct 2009, 18:19

I noticed how expensive used cars are over there in france compared to over here. There is an advantage to living in the UK it seems

Chris.

deian · Unread post by **deian** » 13 Oct 2009, 19:01

One the government is quickly addressing, this car scrapage scheme is driving the price of used cars up.

Penguin · Unread post by **Penguin** » 14 Oct 2009, 12:32

deian wrote:One the government is quickly addressing, this car scrapage scheme is driving the price of used cars up.

Howso? Surely by offering 2 grand+ off a new car would cause a second hand car to be worth less as it shouldn't be more than a new one.

Unread post by **CitroJim** » 14 Oct 2009, 12:39

Maybe so many second-hand cars have gone for scrappage that good available ones are now very much at a premium?

Do the French have a Le Scrappages scheme?

I'm trying to work out why second-hand older cars are worth so much more there than here. There must be some advantage to owning an older car. Are new cards there very considerably more expensive than here or do they just have sound sense and taste?

Penguin · Unread post by **Penguin** » 14 Oct 2009, 12:46

I believe there is a Le Scrappage scheme operating, although I'm not sure what it is worth to Le Punter.

Sid_the_Squid · Unread post by **Sid_the_Squid** » 14 Oct 2009, 12:51

Same deal if you compare the UK car market to the USA, second hand cars in the US seem to be worth so much more than over here.

Unread post by **Paul-R** » 14 Oct 2009, 12:55

Maybe it's something to do with the fact that we have such a high percentage of cars bought and run by companies in the UK?

In France I believe that more cars are bought privately than in the UK. Perhaps the private owner can't afford to take the large drop in value of a new car and holds on to it longer?

addo · Unread post by **addo** » 14 Oct 2009, 20:36

As an observer, I suggest it's a price difference driven substantially by consumer desire. More people in the UK actively seek a newer car. The "justification" for much of it, is essentially backformed.

deian · Unread post by **deian** » 14 Oct 2009, 20:55

Penguin wrote:
deian wrote:One the government is quickly addressing, this car scrapage scheme is driving the price of used cars up.
Howso? Surely by offering 2 grand+ off a new car would cause a second hand car to be worth less as it shouldn't be more than a new one.

There are people out there who genuinely can't afford a brand new car or blatantly refuse to buy a new one because they can still run their old car and trust in it.

So you have some people will hold onto their car knowing there are people out there who cannot or will not buy a brand new car.

So as the stock of old cars dwindle because there are the many 'others' out there who do give in to the governments £2k scrapage scheme, the rarity of old cars help increase their value. (not on a big scale, but it certainly shows).

Another example is... i've seen a silver xantia 3.0i V6 for sale on ebay (may still be there) as scrap for £750, I asked the guy whats wrong with the car, he said nothing, he took it in as part of this scrapage scheme for a customer to buy a brand new car. So if the car wants to go back on the road without being broken up you need to cough up £2k for it.

So the next guy who has his Xantia V6 for sale see's this and thinks ok, there are 3 for sale on the market, 1 is £2k to get back on the road and it's a nice car, and the other is say £800, his car is worth less maybe, but because he's seen the other one for £2k (a perfect car nonetheless), he up's his price to £1200 knowing he will still sell.

It's that kind of thing, and I think it's been magnified in france more than here because they may have started this before us with stricter rules. I'm no expert on the french scheme how it works and when it happened, but that is what I feel is happening. Hence the silly price of that french Xantia V6. I think it will happen here at some point but maybe not on the same scale.

I hope I've explained that in an easy way to understand.

Stempy · Unread post by **Stempy** » 14 Oct 2009, 21:11

I also think that the French don't see cars as status symbols in the same way as we do and are happy to drive round in old bangers. They are also very loyal to their own car industry. I also wonder how many V6's were produced for their home market as compared to export.

Over here we no longer have a motor industry, so we have nothing to be loyal to, and even if we did we wouldn't buy them, 'cos when we did have they were mostly rubbish and I would contend that we don't have the same sense of national pride anyway.

Unread post by **xantia_v6** » 15 Oct 2009, 06:43

Cars do hold their value in France, this has nothing to do with any recent scrappage scheme, it is just because there is a smaller proportion of people afford/want to pay the depreciation on a new car.

It is good for us because without markets like that, manufacturers would cease production of spare parts even sooner than they do now.

I am surprised that the French market is not brought into alignment by the import of more heavily depreciated cars from Germany (perhaps cross border registrations are more difficult than I imagine).

I spend quite a bit of time in France, and high-spec Xantias are very rare, I have not seen more than 2 V6s in the flesh in years of looking. It is harder to pick them because French Xantia don't have tail badges (except HDI).