Flaring tool help...

davetherave · Post by **davetherave** » 21 Sep 2009, 21:52

Im half way(ish) through replacing my leaking pipe, however i have a problem in that ive never done flares before, and the flares i can produce with the tool dont look the same as the one on the pipe i have removed!
The flare on the pipe i removed looks like this

flare

But the ones i can make look like this
My Flare

What do i do as the flares i make surely cannot fit the car!
Thanks!

andmcit · Post by **andmcit** » 21 Sep 2009, 22:03

Dave, where's this pipe with the rounded end as it doesn't look like the kind
I know on any Citroen - what diameter are you using!?

Andrew

Post by **myglaren** » 21 Sep 2009, 22:07

Can you get a closer pic of your flares Dave - yours actually look correct from what I can see of them. The other picture is of a standard (British) brake pipe flare. The Citroen flare is away from the end of the pipe to accommodate the rubber seal.

ETA: Ah - I see where the second photo came from.

andmcit · Post by **andmcit** » 21 Sep 2009, 22:12

This is the correct type of flare using the so called 3.5mm general use pipe:

Andrew

davetherave · Post by **davetherave** » 21 Sep 2009, 22:24

I took the first picture as an example, here is part of the actual pipe that i removed

davetherave · Post by **davetherave** » 21 Sep 2009, 22:39

No i think its a power steering high pressure pipe to the pinion valve? ( I think) I was told but have a 5 second Memory!

davetherave · Post by **davetherave** » 21 Sep 2009, 22:51

Right i have a theory that the pipe has been previously partially replaced with 4.75mm brake pipe, as when i spoke to martin from pleides, he said that it should be 6.35mm pipe all the way, and also the pipe looks very slightly larger but definatly not 6.35!
Edit, no thats rubbish i think they are the same!
S0 hopefully a normal flare should work!, but there again the flare in to the hydraulic pump that martin made for me looked the same as the odd one i removed, just bigger.

Well confused!

andmcit · Post by **andmcit** » 21 Sep 2009, 22:55

Are you trying to renew the feeds off the pinon to the main steering ram then?
I can probably help you out here then!

Andrew

davetherave · Post by **davetherave** » 21 Sep 2009, 23:04

Not a clue Andrew sounds about right, i am just replacing a pipe that broke!, the one im taking off is very corroded though!

It goes from the pump past the regulater then (it used to go to a rubber pipe then to metal) near the nsf wheel, then round the back of the gearbox to somewhere!

andmcit · Post by **andmcit** » 21 Sep 2009, 23:07

Not what I'm thinking of Dave. I'll need to prod mine about in daylight
tomorrow to trace the routing of various pipes. From the main hydraulic
pump right?

Andrew

davetherave · Post by **davetherave** » 21 Sep 2009, 23:24

Thanks, ill give it a crack with a normal citroen flare and see what happens tomorow evening!

rhv100 · Post by **rhv100** » 22 Sep 2009, 10:20

Yes, thats the one that goes all the way from the pump to the steering
ram. Its one single piece of pipe bridged from the engine to the chassis
with a rubber tube. Ive got the same problem with mine. The pipe is
corroded at the wheel arch by the front wheel. You would think that Cit.
would have made a joint somewhere wouldnt you. If youre sitting down
I"ll tell you that its a breathtaking £94 from Citroen!! I"ve been waiting
over 3 weeks for mine having been unable to find a s/h one.Still no sign
of it.
Good luck.

Richard.

citroenxm · Post by **citroenxm** » 22 Sep 2009, 15:13

I have ALSO noticed that there are a Fair FEW NORMAL Flare type pipes on these Xantias..

Normally: On the steering Rack, to make it a standard part (I think) for Pugs too,

ALSO The ABS Hydraluic blocks have NORMAL and Citroen Flares as a mixture on different pipes...

Paul

Post by **CitroJim** » 22 Sep 2009, 19:15

It seems that they used the standard flares on all pipes above 3.5/4.5mm.

That pipe Dave, will need the standard flares on both ends of it as far as I recall.

You'll need to wind a big coil in it to replace the rubber part otherwise it'll fracture with engine vibration.

I'm not sure the Citroen LHM power steering ram is the same as the Pug one Paul, last time I replaced a ram on a Pug I did not notice a leakage return pipe on it.

Speaking of leakage returns, I see I have a small weep of LHM on my V6 pinion valve leakage return where it goes from a metal pipe to a rubber one. The rubber looks perished on the joint. It's highly inaccessible and ends up in the triple moulding in the main leakage return pipe near the LHM reservoir. I'll bet that one costs a fair bit too

davetherave · Post by **davetherave** » 22 Sep 2009, 19:31

Thanks for all the help, i got some 4.75mm pipe from kwik fit, and had a standard flare put on however the connector i asked pleides to make will need a citroen flare so i need to grind the pipe down to 4.5mm, what a nightmare! I need not have bought any citroen flaring tools or pipe at all!