PSA versus Renault - product quality

Unread post by **lolingram** » 09 Aug 2009, 15:20

Notwithstanding that we are basically French Car Lovers, it has been my experience that when it comes to quality mass production engineering, PSA are streets ahead of Renault - not even in the same ballpark. Apart from often apalling vehicle build quality, Renault engines in particular often just don't last anywhere as long. Engine technology can be excellent though...

Electrical probs can sometimes be horrendous... I have known folk to just dump the problem on some main stealer to buy out of the situation. That is not to defend PSA on occasion - build quality once often lacking, although often excellent now - just a general summing up.

Anyone different ideas?

Ross_K · Unread post by **Ross_K** » 09 Aug 2009, 16:07

lolingram wrote:Anyone different ideas?

No. I totally agree with you. Renners are an inferior product in my experience, and along with Alfa Romeos are probably the only cars which cause more grief and lose their value faster than a Citroen... $\:D/$ $\:D/$

Unread post by **lolingram** » 09 Aug 2009, 16:33

Renners are an inferior product in my experience, and along with Alfa Romeos are probably the only cars which cause more grief and lose their value faster than a Citroen

Agreed. BUT, Alfas (since God was a boy), have always had that 'je ne sais quoi' that makes them fun to drive. Apart from my old R4 van and an ageing R16, Renners are not fun.... a pal had an R8 that was ALWAYS on jack stands! He claimed that it was the first bread and butter car with 4 wheel disc brakes. Trouble was that it was so slow, it didn't need them! Happy days.

Stempy · Unread post by **Stempy** » 09 Aug 2009, 16:38

My Renault has caused me a number of problems in the reliability stakes and build quality is certainly inferior. Having said that though I found their customer service to be excellent.

I've had the Kangoo from new and even on the first day of ownership the steering became loose due to a bolt being incorrectly fitted, and I've had several other issues since, including one rather major one. But it has been a good workhorse. I have to say I prefer Citroens though.

Unread post by **myglaren** » 09 Aug 2009, 17:28

I have had a few Renaults through the years and found them to be as reliable as anything else around.

Xaccers · Unread post by **Xaccers** » 09 Aug 2009, 19:56

I actually liked my Laguna II Privilége and Mégane II Dynamique.
The only problem with the Laguna was the turbo blew, and it kept having problems with the fuel injection system, which cost me a fortune in tyres.
It had a massive boot, was very comfortable and with the 100BHP and 6 speed gearbox it used to return 50-55mpg mostly doing over motorway speeds.
Clocked up 76K in 2 years and was sorry to see it go when I changed it for the Mégane.
In my opinion, after the Xantia Mk1, the first Laguna II has been the only car that's looked good.
Build quality (apart from the turbo/injector issues on the Laguna) was excellent.

Unread post by **Paul-R** » 09 Aug 2009, 20:34

lolingram wrote: that 'je ne sais quoi'

'Non so che cosa' surely?

Unread post by **myglaren** » 09 Aug 2009, 21:03

Paul-R wrote:
lolingram wrote: that 'je ne sais quoi'
'Non so che cosa' surely?

Or perhaps "Non me lo so spiegare"?

Whatever that means

Some things the Italians are masters at!

Unread post by **lolingram** » 09 Aug 2009, 21:08

'Non so che cosa' surely?

Well.... let's stay friends, but not really 'je ne sais quoi'......

Unread post by **lolingram** » 09 Aug 2009, 21:11

The only problem with the Laguna was the turbo blew, and it kept having problems with the fuel injection system, which cost me a fortune in tyres.
It had a massive boot, was very comfortable and with the 100BHP and 6 speed gearbox it used to return 50-55mpg mostly doing over motorway speeds.
Clocked up 76K in 2 years and was sorry to see it go when I changed it for the Mégane.
In my opinion, after the Xantia Mk1, the first Laguna II has been the only car that's looked good.
Build quality (apart from the turbo/injector issues on the Laguna) was excellent.

Xac, never said I didn't like, them, BUT after your aggro.....?

Xaccers · Unread post by **Xaccers** » 09 Aug 2009, 22:01

lolingram wrote:
The only problem with the Laguna was the turbo blew, and it kept having problems with the fuel injection system, which cost me a fortune in tyres.
It had a massive boot, was very comfortable and with the 100BHP and 6 speed gearbox it used to return 50-55mpg mostly doing over motorway speeds.
Clocked up 76K in 2 years and was sorry to see it go when I changed it for the Mégane.
In my opinion, after the Xantia Mk1, the first Laguna II has been the only car that's looked good.
Build quality (apart from the turbo/injector issues on the Laguna) was excellent.
Xac, never said I didn't like, them, BUT after your aggro.....?

I'd have another one in a flash if Xantia TD's weren't available.

citrov6 · Unread post by **citrov6** » 10 Aug 2009, 00:10

dad had loads of renaults before he had the bx's, five of the 20, a 21 , a laguna I, 2 safranes. mostly their seats were the most comfortable. only one he had a problem with was a renault 15, it was his second new car ever and something went repeatedly wrong with the electrics , needless to say he gave it back , thats when he got his first 20

Xaccers · Unread post by **Xaccers** » 10 Aug 2009, 01:48

Nearly forgot, dad had 2 renault 9's in Saudi.
Not much to look at but very comfortable.
He got run over by a tipper truck in the first one he had on xmas day.

Unread post by **CitroJim** » 10 Aug 2009, 08:14

Here I must declare an interest.

I've had, as a youngster back in the 70s and early 80s, two Renault 4s (one a 1969 6 volt electrics model and the other a 1972 12V model) I then went to a 1978 R5, which really was just an R4 in a pretty frock.

Brilliant cars. Paragons of reliability and bar the appetite the old tin worm showed for them, brilliant in every respect and capable of taking a lot of abuse. Character, especially in R4 form, by the bucketload. I still love 'em now and think the series 1 R5 is a gorgeously pretty little car that's aged exceedingly well.

Back along then, I positively lusted after an R16

Brigsygtt · Unread post by **Brigsygtt** » 10 Aug 2009, 12:40

All the renaults i have owned have been as reliable as the citroens. Ive had problems with all of them

Not all have been bad though. I even took my r5gtt from 78k up to 150k on original untouched engine with hardly any problems.

Imo the renault/peugeot sports models are a lot better than the citroens though.

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