PSA versus Renault - product quality
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PSA versus Renault - product quality
Notwithstanding that we are basically French Car Lovers, it has been my experience that when it comes to quality mass production engineering, PSA are streets ahead of Renault - not even in the same ballpark. Apart from often apalling vehicle build quality, Renault engines in particular often just don't last anywhere as long. Engine technology can be excellent though...
Electrical probs can sometimes be horrendous... I have known folk to just dump the problem on some main stealer to buy out of the situation. That is not to defend PSA on occasion - build quality once often lacking, although often excellent now - just a general summing up.
Anyone different ideas?
Electrical probs can sometimes be horrendous... I have known folk to just dump the problem on some main stealer to buy out of the situation. That is not to defend PSA on occasion - build quality once often lacking, although often excellent now - just a general summing up.
Anyone different ideas?
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XM 2.1 auto VSX 1996 - Bosch Inj, Xantia HDi 90 estate 1999, Xantia 1.9TD 1997
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Re: PSA versus Renault - product quality
No. I totally agree with you. Renners are an inferior product in my experience, and along with Alfa Romeos are probably the only cars which cause more grief and lose their value faster than a Citroen...lolingram wrote:Anyone different ideas?
Agreed. BUT, Alfas (since God was a boy), have always had that 'je ne sais quoi' that makes them fun to drive. Apart from my old R4 van and an ageing R16, Renners are not fun.... a pal had an R8 that was ALWAYS on jack stands! He claimed that it was the first bread and butter car with 4 wheel disc brakes. Trouble was that it was so slow, it didn't need them! Happy days.Renners are an inferior product in my experience, and along with Alfa Romeos are probably the only cars which cause more grief and lose their value faster than a Citroen
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R.I.P. January 2010.
XM 2.1 auto VSX 1996 - Bosch Inj, Xantia HDi 90 estate 1999, Xantia 1.9TD 1997
Previously...
GS 1970, Dyane 1974, Xantia 94 VSX TD, XM 94, 2.1 auto - Lucas Inj, XM 92 2.1 estate - Lucas Inj
XM 2.1 auto VSX 1996 - Bosch Inj, Xantia HDi 90 estate 1999, Xantia 1.9TD 1997
Previously...
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My Renault has caused me a number of problems in the reliability stakes and build quality is certainly inferior. Having said that though I found their customer service to be excellent.
I've had the Kangoo from new and even on the first day of ownership the steering became loose due to a bolt being incorrectly fitted, and I've had several other issues since, including one rather major one. But it has been a good workhorse. I have to say I prefer Citroens though.
I've had the Kangoo from new and even on the first day of ownership the steering became loose due to a bolt being incorrectly fitted, and I've had several other issues since, including one rather major one. But it has been a good workhorse. I have to say I prefer Citroens though.
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I actually liked my Laguna II Privilége and Mégane II Dynamique.
The only problem with the Laguna was the turbo blew, and it kept having problems with the fuel injection system, which cost me a fortune in tyres.
It had a massive boot, was very comfortable and with the 100BHP and 6 speed gearbox it used to return 50-55mpg mostly doing over motorway speeds.
Clocked up 76K in 2 years and was sorry to see it go when I changed it for the Mégane.
In my opinion, after the Xantia Mk1, the first Laguna II has been the only car that's looked good.
Build quality (apart from the turbo/injector issues on the Laguna) was excellent.
The only problem with the Laguna was the turbo blew, and it kept having problems with the fuel injection system, which cost me a fortune in tyres.
It had a massive boot, was very comfortable and with the 100BHP and 6 speed gearbox it used to return 50-55mpg mostly doing over motorway speeds.
Clocked up 76K in 2 years and was sorry to see it go when I changed it for the Mégane.
In my opinion, after the Xantia Mk1, the first Laguna II has been the only car that's looked good.
Build quality (apart from the turbo/injector issues on the Laguna) was excellent.
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Or perhaps "Non me lo so spiegare"?Paul-R wrote:'Non so che cosa' surely?lolingram wrote: that 'je ne sais quoi'
Whatever that means
Some things the Italians are masters at!
Well.... let's stay friends, but not really 'je ne sais quoi'......'Non so che cosa' surely?
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XM 2.1 auto VSX 1996 - Bosch Inj, Xantia HDi 90 estate 1999, Xantia 1.9TD 1997
Previously...
GS 1970, Dyane 1974, Xantia 94 VSX TD, XM 94, 2.1 auto - Lucas Inj, XM 92 2.1 estate - Lucas Inj
Xac, never said I didn't like, them, BUT after your aggro.....?The only problem with the Laguna was the turbo blew, and it kept having problems with the fuel injection system, which cost me a fortune in tyres.
It had a massive boot, was very comfortable and with the 100BHP and 6 speed gearbox it used to return 50-55mpg mostly doing over motorway speeds.
Clocked up 76K in 2 years and was sorry to see it go when I changed it for the Mégane.
In my opinion, after the Xantia Mk1, the first Laguna II has been the only car that's looked good.
Build quality (apart from the turbo/injector issues on the Laguna) was excellent.
R.I.P. January 2010.
XM 2.1 auto VSX 1996 - Bosch Inj, Xantia HDi 90 estate 1999, Xantia 1.9TD 1997
Previously...
GS 1970, Dyane 1974, Xantia 94 VSX TD, XM 94, 2.1 auto - Lucas Inj, XM 92 2.1 estate - Lucas Inj
XM 2.1 auto VSX 1996 - Bosch Inj, Xantia HDi 90 estate 1999, Xantia 1.9TD 1997
Previously...
GS 1970, Dyane 1974, Xantia 94 VSX TD, XM 94, 2.1 auto - Lucas Inj, XM 92 2.1 estate - Lucas Inj
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I'd have another one in a flash if Xantia TD's weren't available.lolingram wrote:Xac, never said I didn't like, them, BUT after your aggro.....?The only problem with the Laguna was the turbo blew, and it kept having problems with the fuel injection system, which cost me a fortune in tyres.
It had a massive boot, was very comfortable and with the 100BHP and 6 speed gearbox it used to return 50-55mpg mostly doing over motorway speeds.
Clocked up 76K in 2 years and was sorry to see it go when I changed it for the Mégane.
In my opinion, after the Xantia Mk1, the first Laguna II has been the only car that's looked good.
Build quality (apart from the turbo/injector issues on the Laguna) was excellent.
1.9TD+ SX Xantia Estate (Cassy) running on 100% veg
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DIY sphere tool
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DIY sphere tool
dad had loads of renaults before he had the bx's, five of the 20, a 21 , a laguna I, 2 safranes. mostly their seats were the most comfortable. only one he had a problem with was a renault 15, it was his second new car ever and something went repeatedly wrong with the electrics , needless to say he gave it back , thats when he got his first 20
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Nearly forgot, dad had 2 renault 9's in Saudi.
Not much to look at but very comfortable.
He got run over by a tipper truck in the first one he had on xmas day.
Not much to look at but very comfortable.
He got run over by a tipper truck in the first one he had on xmas day.
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Here I must declare an interest.
I've had, as a youngster back in the 70s and early 80s, two Renault 4s (one a 1969 6 volt electrics model and the other a 1972 12V model) I then went to a 1978 R5, which really was just an R4 in a pretty frock.
Brilliant cars. Paragons of reliability and bar the appetite the old tin worm showed for them, brilliant in every respect and capable of taking a lot of abuse. Character, especially in R4 form, by the bucketload. I still love 'em now and think the series 1 R5 is a gorgeously pretty little car that's aged exceedingly well.
Back along then, I positively lusted after an R16
I've had, as a youngster back in the 70s and early 80s, two Renault 4s (one a 1969 6 volt electrics model and the other a 1972 12V model) I then went to a 1978 R5, which really was just an R4 in a pretty frock.
Brilliant cars. Paragons of reliability and bar the appetite the old tin worm showed for them, brilliant in every respect and capable of taking a lot of abuse. Character, especially in R4 form, by the bucketload. I still love 'em now and think the series 1 R5 is a gorgeously pretty little car that's aged exceedingly well.
Back along then, I positively lusted after an R16
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All the renaults i have owned have been as reliable as the citroens. Ive had problems with all of them
Not all have been bad though. I even took my r5gtt from 78k up to 150k on original untouched engine with hardly any problems.
Imo the renault/peugeot sports models are a lot better than the citroens though.
Not all have been bad though. I even took my r5gtt from 78k up to 150k on original untouched engine with hardly any problems.
Imo the renault/peugeot sports models are a lot better than the citroens though.
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