Haynes Workshop manual?

Unread post by **Old-Guy** » 17 Dec 2008, 12:45

Can anyone suggest a Haynes Workshop Manual (not a slim-line 'Service and Repair' job) for another make/model that covers the manual gearbox in my 1995 Xantia S1 TD?

Locally, we have a proper secondhand (charity) bookshop with a shelf of BoLs. For the couple of quid involved, I'd grab an appropriate manual against the day I ever need to overhaul the 'box.

Unless of course somebody is going to tell me that a load of Citroen special tools are essential?

Guy

handyman · Unread post by **handyman** » 17 Dec 2008, 14:46

Hello Guy, I think you've got it in one!

I think the reason why the BOL does not do transmissions is that most require a fair number of jigs and service tools along with a wide selection of spares to draw from as you may need to cross match components to ensure tolerances are correct.

Gearbox building is a 'Black Art' best left to them that has all the required skills and bits. You would not want a box of false neutrals, would you?

If you do feel so inclined, you would be better getting the service manual, even a copy on hard disk would give you a view to the scope of the subject. Modern gearboxes are a little more complex than the old three and four speeders with just single input and output shafts.

I was not aware that Haynes ever did anything other than these weekend DIY brochures, for simple repairs.

Handyman,

andmcit · Unread post by **andmcit** » 17 Dec 2008, 14:52

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Steve

handyman · Unread post by **handyman** » 17 Dec 2008, 16:57

Aha, un frog Livre de Mensonge, tres bien Andrew!

Handyman

Unread post by **CitroJim** » 17 Dec 2008, 17:46

Have a look on my website Guy BE3 Gearbox Pages.

Some BoLs do cover the gearbox. The Uber-rare Orange 205 manual, the Purple 405 manual and the Brown BX manual.

Colour is important as these colours signify the early versions called "Owners Workshop Manual" The later BoLs called "Service and Repair Manual" are differently coloured and don't cover the gearbox in any detail, such as the pale blue 405 manual.

Unread post by **Old-Guy** » 17 Dec 2008, 18:14

Thanks everybody, especially Andrew and Jim.
I'll have a good look when the brain's working again (flu) - can't even type straight today!

Guy

Xaccers · Unread post by **Xaccers** » 17 Dec 2008, 23:54

Haynes stopped producing the Workshop manuals (the ones based on a complete strip down) because they felt they were scaring potential customers away.
They therefore "dumbed down" and produced the simpler Service and Repair manuals.
If memory serves, there used to be a blue book specifically on the XUD, which may have included the gearbox.
This was back in the days when my parents had a 405TD though.

Course we could all lean on Jim to produce a "Citrojim Book of Truth"

Unread post by **Old-Guy** » 18 Dec 2008, 15:44

Xac wrote

Haynes stopped producing the Workshop manuals (the ones based on a complete strip down) because they felt they were scaring potential customers away.

The much reduced workshop effort in a Service and Repair Manual (for the same retail price) had nothing to do with the decision?

There is/was a copy of the Haynes "Citroen Diesel Engine" Manual (actually for the XUD) in our local s/h bookshop - but it covers the engine(s) only.

Guy