XUD9BTE +AC sump replacement

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KP
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XUD9BTE +AC sump replacement

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Has anyone replaced the sump for a Xantia 'on the car' on a model with AC at all?
Mine has cracked and now holed :( and im considering trying to source a used sump to stick on there. The only place locally to me that may stock them specialises in pugs so im not sure if a pug one will doe as no doubt the mounts will be slightly different for it...

the other option is whipping it off and getting it welded up by my nieghbours friend for a few quid.

How hard a job is it as i can see i have to take off the AC compressor and the aux belt?

The hardest part of that lot looks to be the aux belt as its such a fiddly blooming thing to do :(

If not is it possible when the oil has ran out of it to weld it up with some plate steel while its on the car or would the oil inside it just catch fire??
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Unread post by citroenxm »

Sumps come off in situ relativily ok.

Air con compressor off, as you have sussed, flywheel plate off, then the 3000 bolts holding it on...

The sumps on any XUD Peugeot or Citroen will do. As long as its a TD XUD WITH air con, they were all mounted in the same way...

A specialist alloy welder could weld it, but my guess also is it would need to be off the car for heat reasons...

If you remove the top engine mount, jack under the sump, and lower the engine a bit, you can then get a Torx drive on the auto tensioner and release the tension to remove the aux belt..

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Unread post by jgra1 »

hi Kp

there is a little bit here

http://xantiablog.blogspot.com/2008/08/ ... -2008.html


just watch for those two hidden bolts :twisted:
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Cheers Jgra.

How much was the correct seal from Citroen then as im guessing if i take it off i may as well then get it welded, better the devil you know and all and had a scootch around and no one is breaking the engines apart they are keeping them as units :(
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ooh the gasket was nowt.. probably a fiver..

if you can hang on I may be able to get you a sump for not too much...

can you hang on till the weekend?

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KP
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I live a bit far away jgra and i use my car everyday for the 25mile trip to work and back :(

Im going to see if some more liquid metal cures it this evening and then just shove some cheap teso oil in for £9 and see how she goes....

Tell you all one thing, from the front door to work the oil has gone from clean to black already!
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yep it doesnt take long :)

well, I will see anyway, I have sold my spare bottom end to someone (need a bit of space and hopeful I wont need an XUD bottom end!)

the buyer may not want the sump or may certainly have a spare

postage no problem

will try to find out quicker...
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Cheers Jgra, dont rush too much as ill see how the temp repair goes and see if possible to weld as is as it would make life easier just have to cool the sump incase of fire i guess.....
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I have used that liquid metal on a sump before with great success as long as you clean the area well with alcohol/break cleaner spray and ensure there is no oil/rust where your putting it
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I once did an exceedingly successful repair using Chemical Metal on my son's Nissan 200SX Intercooler.

The elbow joint flange had snapped. Still good to this day.

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Ok not having much luck with liquid metal as just as its setting a tiny bit of oil seems to attack the liquid metal and thus break the seal :(

Found this place that does new sumps but they dont list one for the turbo and i think the one i list below is the wrong one as it doesnt allow the turbo oil return pipe to drain back to the sump?

http://bap.dominohosting.biz/bap/bapdb0 ... t&Ret=SUMP

Going to have to see if i can find anyone breaking an engine locally but wont hold out much hope as they seem to be sold whole as tall blocks and not short blocks anymore :(
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will ask my chap KP..

hear from me later
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Unread post by citroenxm »

The oil Drain pipe from the turbo DOES NOT go into the sump, it goes into a pipe attached to the BOTTOM of the block, just above the sump....

So if you have NO AIR con, it will do, otherwise, you'll need an Alloy one for the Air con mounts..

You could on the other hand leave the air con compressor off and convert it to manual adjuster with no air con....

Paul
Sharing a pug 207 1.6 hdi Sw 16v.
M reg Xm 2.1 td auto exclusive S2 269k and rising
L reg XM V6 12v SEi auto .. Light project

A very sad...
1994 XM 2.1 d auto
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KP
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Cant lose the AC as its the only luxury the car has other than suspension :D
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