I am looking to trade my C5 HDI auto in for a C4 picasso with the EGS box and possibily the 1.6 hdi ( not a boy racer any more) There has been negative write ups re this box in Citroen cars but the ones in VW/Skoda cars seem to have positive remarks, are they really that different?
Any one got EGS and can give their views.
Thanks
Steve
EGS transmission
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bencowell
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My bought a C4 Picasso 1.6 HDI Exclusive EGS about 2 months ago. I've given it a fair testing.
The gearbox isn't too smooth. It accelerates smoothly, but the downchanges when slowing are sometimes rough.
The box can be overridden either in manual or automatic mode by using the paddles. I'd have liked to see a sport mode in automatic.
The EGS has 6 gears, in top at 70 it is doing about 2500 revs, the same as my Mk 1 C5 2.0 HDI 5sp manual. I don't know if the 2.0 EGS has different ratios, but the fuel consumption is similar.
My biggest gripe about the box is that you can't press the accelerator like you can in a manual. Squeeze the pedal slowly and progressively like it is an orange (that's how advanced motorists are taught), the car accelerates up through the gears, then drops a gear. I find it really annoying as there is very little performance gain.
I also think the car drops gears too late. You can easily enter a roundabout in 3rd gear, it then drops to 2nd while on the roundabout. The acceleration can be pedestrian.
The electric handbrake is a mixed blessing. Easy to operate and holds the car rock solid. However, it is slow to release and you won't get a quick getaway at a junction with the handbrake on.
The hill start assist is fab however.
All in all, it is not bad, takes a bit of getting used to, and when driving enthusiastically or on twisting country roads it is best to put it into manual or at least override the gearbox sometimes.
I'd try to test both the 1.6 and the 2.0. I've not driven the 2.0 HDI EGS but I guess there will be a lot more low down grunt.
What's wrong with your C5? It will take a lot of miles to make up for the extra depreciation with the fuel savings. I love my C5 and could only imagine changing it for another C5 or a C6.
Ben
The gearbox isn't too smooth. It accelerates smoothly, but the downchanges when slowing are sometimes rough.
The box can be overridden either in manual or automatic mode by using the paddles. I'd have liked to see a sport mode in automatic.
The EGS has 6 gears, in top at 70 it is doing about 2500 revs, the same as my Mk 1 C5 2.0 HDI 5sp manual. I don't know if the 2.0 EGS has different ratios, but the fuel consumption is similar.
My biggest gripe about the box is that you can't press the accelerator like you can in a manual. Squeeze the pedal slowly and progressively like it is an orange (that's how advanced motorists are taught), the car accelerates up through the gears, then drops a gear. I find it really annoying as there is very little performance gain.
I also think the car drops gears too late. You can easily enter a roundabout in 3rd gear, it then drops to 2nd while on the roundabout. The acceleration can be pedestrian.
The electric handbrake is a mixed blessing. Easy to operate and holds the car rock solid. However, it is slow to release and you won't get a quick getaway at a junction with the handbrake on.
The hill start assist is fab however.
All in all, it is not bad, takes a bit of getting used to, and when driving enthusiastically or on twisting country roads it is best to put it into manual or at least override the gearbox sometimes.
I'd try to test both the 1.6 and the 2.0. I've not driven the 2.0 HDI EGS but I guess there will be a lot more low down grunt.
What's wrong with your C5? It will take a lot of miles to make up for the extra depreciation with the fuel savings. I love my C5 and could only imagine changing it for another C5 or a C6.
Ben
Currently driving a 2004 C5 VTR (old shape) and an Electric Kia Soul. Sorry but the electric one is my favourite!
Formerly Hyundai Genesis 3.8 V6, 2 x Kia Optima, 2 x C5, Xsara and Saxo.
Formerly Hyundai Genesis 3.8 V6, 2 x Kia Optima, 2 x C5, Xsara and Saxo.
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civvie
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Ben,
Thanks for your input, these are the kind of problems I have heard about as well, IE not as smooth and flexible as a normal auto ( slush box type) but I assume better fuel consumption then my 2.2 auto. Having my C5 has made me realise I don't want to go back to a normal manual box, unless I have too.
Why do I want to change, at the moment things are working ok on the C5 but in the future there is going to be the emission scenario and reading various posts I can spend a lot of beer tokens there. The fuel consumption is not great plus the cost of diesel now, and Gorden's bright idea to hit high emission cars next year with the rise in RFL. I have just retired and have a few extra bob in my pocket at the moment. Funny how the VW/Skoda ones don't seem to have the problems you mention.
I have no problem with my C5, infact I rather like it but I now wish I had got the 2ltr not the 2.2
Thanks for the input
Steve
Thanks for your input, these are the kind of problems I have heard about as well, IE not as smooth and flexible as a normal auto ( slush box type) but I assume better fuel consumption then my 2.2 auto. Having my C5 has made me realise I don't want to go back to a normal manual box, unless I have too.
Why do I want to change, at the moment things are working ok on the C5 but in the future there is going to be the emission scenario and reading various posts I can spend a lot of beer tokens there. The fuel consumption is not great plus the cost of diesel now, and Gorden's bright idea to hit high emission cars next year with the rise in RFL. I have just retired and have a few extra bob in my pocket at the moment. Funny how the VW/Skoda ones don't seem to have the problems you mention.
I have no problem with my C5, infact I rather like it but I now wish I had got the 2ltr not the 2.2
Thanks for the input
Steve