Hi I’m looking at upgrading from my Xantia 2.0HDI 110bhp and would love a Citroen with an auto box as such I’m looking at a nice CITROEN XANTIA 3.0I EXCLUSIVE with an auto.
It has lots of history and a (to die for) cream leather interior which can always be change with the black leather from my HDI
I would be thinking of converting it to LPG as the petrol would cost a fortune ... Has anyone any experience of the fuel economy and what it would be like on LPG. as I currently get 45mpg on town runs with the diesel
The best thing I can see is it should have the nice hydroactive system with sports mode for the country lanes
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The V6 is my favorite Xantia, there are a few things you need to look out for on them though, when was the timing belt last changed as changing the belt, water pump and tensioners on mine (done by the previous owner) cost £892 of which £400 was parts. The auto gearbox is not sealed for life (Citroën states it is in the handbook) and requires regular changes if it is to last beyond 100K miles.
I (or should I say the Missus as she drives it) get 29 MPG from my V6 but as I also get 50 MPG from my HDi you may be down to 24 MPG due to town driving. All V6's have Hydroactive suspension.
I (or should I say the Missus as she drives it) get 29 MPG from my V6 but as I also get 50 MPG from my HDi you may be down to 24 MPG due to town driving. All V6's have Hydroactive suspension.
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You will need deep pockets to run a V6, and I would think that the cost of LPG conversion wouldn't be viable as the car would be worn out before you recoup the cost in fuel savings. There are lots of expensive things to go wrong and even routine servicing isn't cheap.
But if you can run to it they are fabulous cars, mines just passed the 100k miles mark and still drives beautifully, although I am beginning to get concerned about the gearbox, even though I've done a couple of oil changes.
But if you can run to it they are fabulous cars, mines just passed the 100k miles mark and still drives beautifully, although I am beginning to get concerned about the gearbox, even though I've done a couple of oil changes.
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Best to do a Flush on the gearbox.........gets all the tranny oil out instead of just the reservoir of a few litres. You can do it yourself if you find the in and out hoses and need a 25ltre drum of fluid. You basically start it up and feed the new oil in as the old oil is pumped out. When your new fluid comes through you are assured of all new oil.
You may have to find a way of pumping in as quick as it come out .........otherwise you need to stop and start again. This has worked on a few different cars for me but check it out and make sure if it will be suitable for Xantia first before trying.
If it`s Dexron in tranny it should be a nice red for a healthy transmission.
You may have to find a way of pumping in as quick as it come out .........otherwise you need to stop and start again. This has worked on a few different cars for me but check it out and make sure if it will be suitable for Xantia first before trying.
If it`s Dexron in tranny it should be a nice red for a healthy transmission.
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Hi,
Good choice lucifer. They are lovely cars. I don't know why you would want to swap the cream leathers for the black ones from your hdi car. The cream leathers are very rare and would retain the car's value should you decide to sell it for any reason.
Running costs are not as high as you would expect from a 3.0 V6 engine, you will never match the running cost of the HDi, and the V6 won't be cheap to run, I used to get what DickieG gets from his, and I used to cane mine down the B roads from time to time.
Putting LPG on it would probably be too much hassle and cost to be a viable option. Being a pretty modern engine I would say it wouldn't be suitable for single point injection down the inlet manifold, so would need the multipoint (or sequential) LPG conversion which would cost a few hundred pounds more than the £1200 or so for the single point LPG conversion. The injectors would need changing (all 6), a few sensors added, tank installed, and fine tuning of the ECU, I would say it would cost £1600 upwards for converting the V6 to LPG.
The suspension is indeed the hydractive 2 with sports mode, it's not 'should' have it, it 'will' have it, which I should point out doesn't harden the suspension up, but merely makes the sensors more sensitive for switching to hard mode, and keeps it in hard mode for longer. For this feature to work, the suspension would have to be in a very good condition with no faults at all for you to feel the benefits. I've had two Xantia's with hydractive 2 on them and neither worked 100% as they should, and as simple as the idea of hydropneumatic suspension, they are more complex and are more prone to faults, but when they do work, they are wonderful!
As others have mentioned, it is a totally different beast to the Hdi, it will need more attention, I wouldn't say the parts would be more expensive compared to parts for the Hdi engine, as DickieG said, make sure it's had a recent cam belt change including tensioner and water pump. In fact the more service history there is the better, full service history would be the best to get: not necessarily from Citroen, sure full citroen service history with genuine stamps look better and make a car more attractive to sell, but in my opinion, independent specialists would know the car better than citroen mechanics who just follow standard procedures from a database, indie mechanics take pride and passion in their work and are more experienced in the work they do, ask around on the forum for suggestions of such mechanics.
Best thing to look for is receipts for parts (as much as possible), old MOT's, and low number of owners.
Again, as DickieG says, the gearbox isn't sealed for life, and if/when you buy one, I would change the g'box oil ASAP as a precaution. As far as I know, the oil is only available from the citroen dealers, it is a "special" oil made by Esso, and is NOT the "standard" Dextron II type oil, it MAY be available over the net, but I tried looking before and couldn't find any.
My advice is, take one for a test drive first, 194bhp from the V6 is different from a Hdi even though the torque curves may be similar, the V6 engine needs winding, and from about 4500rpm, it comes on cam and goes crazy.
Put it in sports mode, and floor the accelerator, it will go as fast as it can with engine laughing at you in it's high pitched voice before changing gear so innocently and smoothly into 2nd where it will do the same until see the cars in the rear view mirror go into reverse gear. Remember, the sports mode won't go into 4th gear until you do illegal speeds (110 ish)!! Don't worry about blowing the engine, it will change gear before redlining. If you have any concerns about the car, any noises, weirdness, walk away. The engine should take the punishment with no worries. Mine was not a wimp for sure.
Test the kickdown too, that is just so cool, do about 50mph in 4th (top gear), and nail the accelerator. Do the same in sports mode, it WAY more sensitive. What I used to do for overtaking was to innocently wait for the road to clear, just before the last car goes past, put in sports mode, and just go like a rocket. I think overtaking should be done as quick as possible, but safely and within the law.
Good luck.
Good choice lucifer. They are lovely cars. I don't know why you would want to swap the cream leathers for the black ones from your hdi car. The cream leathers are very rare and would retain the car's value should you decide to sell it for any reason.
Running costs are not as high as you would expect from a 3.0 V6 engine, you will never match the running cost of the HDi, and the V6 won't be cheap to run, I used to get what DickieG gets from his, and I used to cane mine down the B roads from time to time.
Putting LPG on it would probably be too much hassle and cost to be a viable option. Being a pretty modern engine I would say it wouldn't be suitable for single point injection down the inlet manifold, so would need the multipoint (or sequential) LPG conversion which would cost a few hundred pounds more than the £1200 or so for the single point LPG conversion. The injectors would need changing (all 6), a few sensors added, tank installed, and fine tuning of the ECU, I would say it would cost £1600 upwards for converting the V6 to LPG.
The suspension is indeed the hydractive 2 with sports mode, it's not 'should' have it, it 'will' have it, which I should point out doesn't harden the suspension up, but merely makes the sensors more sensitive for switching to hard mode, and keeps it in hard mode for longer. For this feature to work, the suspension would have to be in a very good condition with no faults at all for you to feel the benefits. I've had two Xantia's with hydractive 2 on them and neither worked 100% as they should, and as simple as the idea of hydropneumatic suspension, they are more complex and are more prone to faults, but when they do work, they are wonderful!
As others have mentioned, it is a totally different beast to the Hdi, it will need more attention, I wouldn't say the parts would be more expensive compared to parts for the Hdi engine, as DickieG said, make sure it's had a recent cam belt change including tensioner and water pump. In fact the more service history there is the better, full service history would be the best to get: not necessarily from Citroen, sure full citroen service history with genuine stamps look better and make a car more attractive to sell, but in my opinion, independent specialists would know the car better than citroen mechanics who just follow standard procedures from a database, indie mechanics take pride and passion in their work and are more experienced in the work they do, ask around on the forum for suggestions of such mechanics.
Best thing to look for is receipts for parts (as much as possible), old MOT's, and low number of owners.
Again, as DickieG says, the gearbox isn't sealed for life, and if/when you buy one, I would change the g'box oil ASAP as a precaution. As far as I know, the oil is only available from the citroen dealers, it is a "special" oil made by Esso, and is NOT the "standard" Dextron II type oil, it MAY be available over the net, but I tried looking before and couldn't find any.
My advice is, take one for a test drive first, 194bhp from the V6 is different from a Hdi even though the torque curves may be similar, the V6 engine needs winding, and from about 4500rpm, it comes on cam and goes crazy.
Put it in sports mode, and floor the accelerator, it will go as fast as it can with engine laughing at you in it's high pitched voice before changing gear so innocently and smoothly into 2nd where it will do the same until see the cars in the rear view mirror go into reverse gear. Remember, the sports mode won't go into 4th gear until you do illegal speeds (110 ish)!! Don't worry about blowing the engine, it will change gear before redlining. If you have any concerns about the car, any noises, weirdness, walk away. The engine should take the punishment with no worries. Mine was not a wimp for sure.
Test the kickdown too, that is just so cool, do about 50mph in 4th (top gear), and nail the accelerator. Do the same in sports mode, it WAY more sensitive. What I used to do for overtaking was to innocently wait for the road to clear, just before the last car goes past, put in sports mode, and just go like a rocket. I think overtaking should be done as quick as possible, but safely and within the law.
Good luck.