hi All.. have head these on for 2 weeks now.. grip is way better than the old 185 14's (They are on exclusive alloys but i gather you can fit 205's to normal steel wheels - I have a the previous set of these if anyone wants them)
The body roll now really shows up as a handleing woe.. but I am a bit spoilt buy having a V6 before I got this TD LX
however, the car with these tyres or previous ones is hard to keep in a straight line.. It doesn;t seem to self center very well, bumpy surfaces and pot holes seem to throw the car off all of the time, you find your always correcting the steering to keep it straight..
The tracking was checked using the string round the back method, at the MOT a month ago.. looked pretty good..
I will check lower arm bushes soon too, although if these were bad the MOT would have picked it up..
any thoughts ?
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Hi John,
I thought from the title of this thread you were running Peugeot 205 wheels! A natural assumption on my part as my 1.9TD does indeed ride on 205GTi 1.9 Speedline alloys and good they look too.
On that car, which I have in active use at the moment pre-it's MOT before it resumes its winter hibernation I have 195/55 15 Pirelli P6000 "Ditchfinders". Handling is excellent in all respects. Even roll is not too bad. Comfort is a little comprimised but well compensated for by the handling you gain
My 2.1TD rides on 205/60 15 tyres on Activa wheels and I must say I find the same as you. Again, like you, I've gone through the front suspension and had it retracked. It flew through its MOT last month so no problems. It is nowhere near as sure-footed feeling as the 1.9TD on narrower tyres. very strange.
No such problems on my Activa with the same tyre sizes but that's not a fair compaison
I thought from the title of this thread you were running Peugeot 205 wheels! A natural assumption on my part as my 1.9TD does indeed ride on 205GTi 1.9 Speedline alloys and good they look too.
On that car, which I have in active use at the moment pre-it's MOT before it resumes its winter hibernation I have 195/55 15 Pirelli P6000 "Ditchfinders". Handling is excellent in all respects. Even roll is not too bad. Comfort is a little comprimised but well compensated for by the handling you gain
My 2.1TD rides on 205/60 15 tyres on Activa wheels and I must say I find the same as you. Again, like you, I've gone through the front suspension and had it retracked. It flew through its MOT last month so no problems. It is nowhere near as sure-footed feeling as the 1.9TD on narrower tyres. very strange.
No such problems on my Activa with the same tyre sizes but that's not a fair compaison
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they can only fail the rear arms if they find any play, or they are that bad the wheel is touching the inner wing,
i new a 1.7TD bx once when my customer went to veiw it i told him it would need both rear arms overhauling, because both rear wheels were leaning an exsecive amount, it then went through three MOTs before they failed, even though we discused the angle of the rear wheels with the tester, he could not find ny play as were the bearings had colapsed the rollers were wedged between the arm and its pivot
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i new a 1.7TD bx once when my customer went to veiw it i told him it would need both rear arms overhauling, because both rear wheels were leaning an exsecive amount, it then went through three MOTs before they failed, even though we discused the angle of the rear wheels with the tester, he could not find ny play as were the bearings had colapsed the rollers were wedged between the arm and its pivot
regards malcolm
I've not noticed any tramlining either, and both my bottom arm bushes are past their best, and my ARB links knock too! My pressures are also 33 front, 31 rear.
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Hi John, have you checked that the rims are wide enough to take a 205 profile tyre. They need to be a minimum of 5.5J to 6J wide. Check the vehicle spec. If they are fitted to rims that are too narrow, they will balloon and pick up all the irregularities in the road. As the steering on all hydraulic Citroens is self-centering, I would suggest the steering is toeing out too much, by a long way!
The other problems that may causing the bad handling are either the tyres not rotating in the correct direction or the tyres not seated on the rims or the tyres badly out of balance.
Check the tyres for a rotational direction arrow. You only need one to be wrong and the handling will suffer. Tyres not seated correctly can be seen by checking the ring at the bead seal, it should be the same all the way around. As for balancing, go to a decent tyre fitting company, like ASF in Jarvis Brook.
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The other problems that may causing the bad handling are either the tyres not rotating in the correct direction or the tyres not seated on the rims or the tyres badly out of balance.
Check the tyres for a rotational direction arrow. You only need one to be wrong and the handling will suffer. Tyres not seated correctly can be seen by checking the ring at the bead seal, it should be the same all the way around. As for balancing, go to a decent tyre fitting company, like ASF in Jarvis Brook.
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I was wondering the same, but when I re-read the original post I realise John is saying that the tracking problems were also there with the original smaller tyres...handyman wrote:Hi John, have you checked that the rims are wide enough to take a 205 profile tyre. They need to be a minimum of 5.5J to 6J wide. Check the vehicle spec. If they are fitted to rims that are too narrow, they will balloon and pick up all the irregularities in the road.
Can't quite make sense of this ? I presume you mean all hydraulic Citroen's with power steering ?As the steering on all hydraulic Citroens is self-centering, I would suggest the steering is toeing out too much, by a long way!
Unfortunately later Citroen's like the Xantia don't have self centering steering in the way that a diravi equipped CX etc had - the centering is just plain old steering geometry and tyre forces from toe-in / toe-out like any other conventional car. (toe-out in the case of the Xantia)
Too much toe-out (within reason) is going to make the self centering stronger, not weaker. I can't recall the exact figures but it's something like 0 to 3mm toe-out for the Xantia, with somewhere near the middle being optimum depending on tyres. (Mine is set in the middle of the range at the moment)
If the tyres are good and properly inflated, and the toe-out is within spec, I'd be checking the lower arm bushes, lower hub balljoint, and steering tie-rod balljoints - any source of slack is going to cause wandering when hitting bumps, especially if there is not much toe-out. A bit more toe-out can often disguise these problems but its best to find the real cause.
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chaps thanks will get the tracking checked properly
hanyman thanks, the wheels are alloys from an exclsuive, so they are only fitted with the exclusive standard size.
Will check links and bushes.. it drives well otherwise, handles great for a standard car.. but it's just those journeys when your not trying.. it seems to weave about and you constantly have to hold the wheel to avoid it twisting on bumps etc. makes for tireing driving
will let you know
John
hanyman thanks, the wheels are alloys from an exclsuive, so they are only fitted with the exclusive standard size.
Will check links and bushes.. it drives well otherwise, handles great for a standard car.. but it's just those journeys when your not trying.. it seems to weave about and you constantly have to hold the wheel to avoid it twisting on bumps etc. makes for tireing driving
will let you know
John