the new c5

meexi · Post by **meexi** » 27 Dec 2007, 10:02

what do you guys think of the new c5 looks like an audi to me not a bad thing
not sure about offering metal suspension and hydra3 perhaps to appeal to the masses

UFO · Post by **UFO** » 27 Dec 2007, 11:02

I have a friend in France who has driven a press C5 hydropneumatic. He says it is very good. Not as comfortable as a DS, but still very good.

mooseshaver · Post by **mooseshaver** » 27 Dec 2007, 11:06

I think it looks rather good. Shame the Hydrative 4 didn't make it, shame Hydractive 3+ is an option, I imagne anyone who is looking for a Mondeo alternative would not bother with Hydractive if they have never experienced it before.
But then it might win people over who have steered clear of funky suspension.
Will this make secondhand hydractives harder to find in a few years?

I like the interior, I hope distance cruise control makes it since they left it off the C6.
Have you seen the video? Does the Estates tailgate really open itself or is it camera trickery?

Xaccers · Post by **Xaccers** » 27 Dec 2007, 13:44

Probably the least un-appealing new car out there, but that's not saying much.
Definite improvement on the previous C5's looks, but again, that wasn't hard to do.
The estate looks better than the saloon, and I'm pretty sure my sister hired a Skoda with those interior air vents.

JohnD · Post by **JohnD** » 27 Dec 2007, 18:45

A metal suspension C5 surely won't be much different to a Peugeot 408 (which is bound to follow)

mr_apisto · Post by **mr_apisto** » 29 Dec 2007, 12:05

I seem to be the only one here who really likes the new C5. I do agree that it's a pity that the suspension is not what it should/could be. In any case, anybody wanting a French car will probably buy one, after all has anyone seen the new Renault Laguna, what a heap

.If it weren't for needing 7+ seats, I'd be seriously tempted.
Having previously bought a (new at the time) Xantia, I've always had a soft spot for these cars, and even then, I can't love the outgoing C5.
When this model comes on stream it should mean a further hike to the reliability of Citroën cars (currently 6th in the UK, and highest placed European manufacturer according to Which?) Fact is that people will still doubt Cit. reliability until they stay at the top for several years. Just look how long it is taking Mercedes to lose their aura of invincibility. When I went in to get a test driuve of a Vito, even the salesman recognised that their reliability was crap, but people still buy them by the truck load (talking of which, probably about 50% of trucks sold here in Spain are Mercs. as well)

XantiaMan · Post by **XantiaMan** » 29 Dec 2007, 12:15

I think it looks great.

I like the C5 as a car for what it does, but the pre-facelift of the current version really is cosmetically challenged, the post-facelift went some way to making it a more handsome car and would be the one i own in about 5-6 years time when they are about £500 quid

Picture of new C5 =

bencowell · Post by **bencowell** » 30 Dec 2007, 22:48

I wonder if the introduction of the new C5 will make the present models depreciate like a stone.

Do you think I'll be able to get a one year old 2.2 HDI in a year or two's time for peanuts? Might be a worthy replacement for my 2.0 HDI 110.

I don't think the 1.6 HDI will be strong enough for a new C5 (presumably heavier) with passengers when it feels lethargic on a fully loaded Xsara Picasso.

andmcit · Post by **andmcit** » 30 Dec 2007, 23:12

If you're going for a first generation C5 I'd suggest a pair of VERY dark
glasses anytime you approach the car and after removing them to drive
try not to catch any reflections on your travels...

It may be just me, but I feel ill when I look at one for too long!
I accept the facelifted one is better being only slightly visibly challenged
compared to the original mind!

Seemingly the car to aspire to at the moment is an Audi, so if Citroen does
a perfect facsimile of one but with suspension that ACTUALLY WORKS on
our degrading 3rd world country roads, that can't be a bad thing can it?

Andrew

andmcit · Post by **andmcit** » 31 Dec 2007, 01:28

Andrew Frankel, The Sunday Times - Dec 30, 2007.

New cars for 2008:

The year will also see the exciting arrival of the new Citroen C5,
which seems to be one of the most interesting and imaginative
mainstream family car designs since the firm's DS model of the
1950's. If it is even close to being as good to drive as it is to look
at, it's success will be surely deserved.

Someone in the press saying something nice about a Citroen? Eh?

Andrew

KP · Post by KP » 31 Dec 2007, 07:11

To be honest it looks much more like the baby sister of the C6 now if you follow the lines and look at them both side by side.

I have to agree that the suspension idea would not win me over, coils and springs pah, give me squishy liquidy stuff anyday

The 1.6 in my eyes is definately a bad move but there must be some reason towards them doing this instead of going for a 1.8 or 1.7 intimediary option for diesels? The alloys look very attractive for the younger generation(moi) i may add or the more racey people.

Im quite hoping in a few years to get my hands on a nice C6 or C5 and veggy it but considering my current xantia cost me £600 thats a few years of depreciation off yet!

mr_apisto · Post by **mr_apisto** » 02 Jan 2008, 20:37

The fact stands that Citroen has now reached such levels of reliability that it has overtaken all other European manufacturers. They now stand 6th overall and their most unreliable product is... Guess what, the C5. With the new C5 you should expect to see a continuation of this improvement in reliability.
The press has ALWAYS been hard on manufacturers that don't take reliability seriously, just look at how they treated BL. Many industry observers now happily claim that many BL products were actually rather good, it was build quality and reliabilty that constantly let them down. FIAT still manages to survive in spite of atrocious reliability mainly because Italians continue to buy them.
What tends to happen when a company really gets its act together, residual prices gradually climb and continue to climb. Just look at what the German manufacturers have achieved on the back of the "faultless" reliabilty.
Having said that, Mercedes seems to be on the verge of self destructing, primarily because of improbably poor reliability. Personally I think they have only survived so long because nobody really BELIEVES what they hear.
Bottom line is that it takes a long time to gain a reputation, which is what Citroen are doing right now. This is also a very good reason to be looking at a Cit as a 2nd hand car right now.

Mandrake · Post by **Mandrake** » 02 Jan 2008, 23:48

mr_apisto wrote:The fact stands that Citroen has now reached such levels of reliability that it has overtaken all other European manufacturers. They now stand 6th overall and their most unreliable product is... Guess what, the C5. With the new C5 you should expect to see a continuation of this improvement in reliability.

Source ?

As much as I'd like to believe this, I can't find any reports that come anywhere close to this - the first two I found placed Citroen at 24th for reliability, and 33rd for customer satisfaction - not good! (Both reports are 2005)

Regards,
Simon

XantiaMan · Post by **XantiaMan** » 03 Jan 2008, 08:39

I've seen one from 2007 that places Citroen in the top ten manufacturers for reliabilty. Took some finding but its out there!