Clutch replacement on 16v 2 litre Xantia

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Gregg1100
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Clutch replacement on 16v 2 litre Xantia

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Hi All,
I have just removed the cog box from my Xant. I managed to get the lump out without removing oil tank and all the other stuff sitting over the gearbox mounting. How I get it all back is another story.
My main comment is: WHAT the hell advantage is a pull clutch.? That is just plain over the top. Trust my luck to get a car with one fitted. What is wrong with a NORMAL push type?? :evil: Bloody Citroen.
I had to have a go at it cos car is worthless if it wont drive, and the car is in too good a condition to scrap. My love affair with Citroen is now waning, and I will be getting rid of the pair of them soon. What to get next is another story--all cars are too complicated now. All look the same too.
Highly hacked off,
Greg

90 Kawa EN 500 A1- was running---now dead again
04 Kawa GPZ 500 E10 -alive and well.
54 Fiat Punto 1.2 Dynamic

Old Xantias- 16v 2litre 1997 VSX, 2 x 1993 TD Lx, S2 SX 1.9TD
Old Bx's--3 x 1.9 D, 1x 1.6 Auto, 1 x 1.9 GTi, 1 x 1.9 TZS
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If you're bored with Xantiae why not try an Xm!! Life is never dull with one of these and believe it or not thay can be reliable!! I'm not kidding..

Andrew
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Gregg1100
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Clutch replacement on 16v 2 litre Xantia

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Hi Andmcit,
I was thinking more along the lines of shoving Cits up where they came from. Never have I had such an unneccessarily hard car to do anything with. The Bx was bad enough, the Hdi 110 a nightmare, the TD only marginally better than hell, ony having 6 balls instead of 8.
Sorry to go on, feeling a bit sorry for myself, lol. Back sore from lying on concrete underneath the car. Too old for this crap now. :D
Greg

90 Kawa EN 500 A1- was running---now dead again
04 Kawa GPZ 500 E10 -alive and well.
54 Fiat Punto 1.2 Dynamic

Old Xantias- 16v 2litre 1997 VSX, 2 x 1993 TD Lx, S2 SX 1.9TD
Old Bx's--3 x 1.9 D, 1x 1.6 Auto, 1 x 1.9 GTi, 1 x 1.9 TZS
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How can you say a xantias hard to work on. Other than the cambelt on my 1.9td which is a garage job its the easiest car to work on I ever owned.
If you think these are a nightmare don't go near a ford a vauxhall or a fiat they are all much worse.
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I sympathise, having done two xantia clutches this week :twisted: keep going its only every 100 thousand miles :)
Stewart
BXs since 1993 built 1.9 TZD turbo, got a S2 Xantia estate, brilliant car! 2013, Xantia HDI LX 110 2000 new car with 122,000, l C2 HDI Rusty rocket, C3 Picasso HDI new to me.
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Clutch replacement on 16v 2 litre Xantia

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Hi,
At over 60, I am finding any job too much like aggro. Especially since I have had 6 Bx's and 3 Xantias, and done all the major jobs on them myself. That is why I said that Cits were awkward pigs to work on. Experience.
Greg

90 Kawa EN 500 A1- was running---now dead again
04 Kawa GPZ 500 E10 -alive and well.
54 Fiat Punto 1.2 Dynamic

Old Xantias- 16v 2litre 1997 VSX, 2 x 1993 TD Lx, S2 SX 1.9TD
Old Bx's--3 x 1.9 D, 1x 1.6 Auto, 1 x 1.9 GTi, 1 x 1.9 TZS
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fair enough, can't say I fancy doing a clutch myself.
Good luck with it.
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i was thinking more along the lines of shoving Cits up where they came from. Never have I had such an unneccessarily hard car to do anything with. The Bx was bad enough, the Hdi 110 a nightmare, the TD only marginally better than hell, ony having 6 balls instead of 8.
Sorry to go on, feeling a bit sorry for myself, lol. Back sore from lying on concrete underneath the car. Too old for this crap now


Gregg, I had to laugh at that ;)

know what you mean about clutch change, I have done two also...
re next car, thing is you now so much about Cits now, better the devil you know?
John
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jgra1 wrote: Gregg, I had to laugh at that ;)

know what you mean about clutch change, I have done two also...
re next car, thing is you now so much about Cits now, better the devil you know?
John
Yes, me too :lol:

To be perfectly honest, I find most jobs on a Xantia a doddle (excluding some jobs on an Activa :twisted: ), there being so much room.

Some jobs are actually quite easy but look difficult or next to impossible. It just needs a bit of lateral thought.

But Greg, yes, I can see exactly what you mean about getting too old etc.. This weekend I had a big session on both the Xantia and the 205. I thoroughly enjoyed myself but next morning I could barely move :evil: Aches everywhere and as stiff as a board. Worrying as I'm a good 15 years your junior :roll: Laying on cold concrete wreaks havoc once you pass a certain age...

As John says, better the devil you know. I concur completely and if you have anything else you'll miss all the bits that make Citroens such special cars.

Citroens are so much like women. Difficult to live with and exasperating at times but impossible to live without them :lol: :P
Jim

A bit of a Citroen AX fan...
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Clutch replacement on 16v 2 litre Xantia

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Hi All,
As I cheated to get gearbox down, I am going to have a hell of a time getting box back up. I refer to the crazy pull clutch mechanism. What a truly (-expletive removed-) of an idea. What a gi-normous scope for getting the operating forks completely out of line with no effort at all. If car makers went back to a removable plate on bell housing, aka Vauxhall Cresta, - then one could check to see if forks will engage in pull type release bearing BEFORE all bolts are tightened.
I have looked at HBoL, seen the way to set the shaft, then thought that as soon as the shaft is touched, it will be out of alignment. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I am going to have to hire a hoist to lift box back in. I will spend a bit of time knocking up a cradle for a trolley jack as well.
What is french for " the designer of a pull type clutch should be shagged "
Greg

90 Kawa EN 500 A1- was running---now dead again
04 Kawa GPZ 500 E10 -alive and well.
54 Fiat Punto 1.2 Dynamic

Old Xantias- 16v 2litre 1997 VSX, 2 x 1993 TD Lx, S2 SX 1.9TD
Old Bx's--3 x 1.9 D, 1x 1.6 Auto, 1 x 1.9 GTi, 1 x 1.9 TZS
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Clutch replacement on 16v 2 litre Xantia

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Hi All,
Is this about right:?

Le dessinateur d'une traction écrit à la machine la griffe veut [shagging]

](*,) :-k :oops: :shock:

Greg

90 Kawa EN 500 A1- was running---now dead again
04 Kawa GPZ 500 E10 -alive and well.
54 Fiat Punto 1.2 Dynamic

Old Xantias- 16v 2litre 1997 VSX, 2 x 1993 TD Lx, S2 SX 1.9TD
Old Bx's--3 x 1.9 D, 1x 1.6 Auto, 1 x 1.9 GTi, 1 x 1.9 TZS
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Re: Clutch replacement on 16v 2 litre Xantia

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Gregg1100 wrote:What is french for " the designer of a pull type clutch should be shagged "
"Monsieur M. Erde" ?
Anders (DK) - '90 BX16Image
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Stewart(oily)
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:D :D Perhaps he should be :D I hung the box from my engine crane and it went in fairly easily (the second one) the first one went in without engaging the forks :oops: I did consider a strip of masking tape to keep the thrust race in place but in the end settled for refitting the clutch lever and checking the thing was okay before putting any more bellhousing bolts in, good luck.
Stewart
BXs since 1993 built 1.9 TZD turbo, got a S2 Xantia estate, brilliant car! 2013, Xantia HDI LX 110 2000 new car with 122,000, l C2 HDI Rusty rocket, C3 Picasso HDI new to me.
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Clutch replacement on 16v 2 litre Xantia

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Hi All,
I have got the gearbox out of the Xantia16v, VSX. The spring ring that holds the thrust bearing to the clutch cover plate went awol,
leaving car knackered and me. There are some pics as links to show;

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All this work for a stupid frog designers lash up. It will be hell to line up the forks to engage with thrust bearing, and KEEP it in line. I may drill a hole in bell housing so as I can see if forks will engage. Fill in said hole after with rubber bung. I will hire a hoist for next weekend.
Regards,
Greg

90 Kawa EN 500 A1- was running---now dead again
04 Kawa GPZ 500 E10 -alive and well.
54 Fiat Punto 1.2 Dynamic

Old Xantias- 16v 2litre 1997 VSX, 2 x 1993 TD Lx, S2 SX 1.9TD
Old Bx's--3 x 1.9 D, 1x 1.6 Auto, 1 x 1.9 GTi, 1 x 1.9 TZS
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Clutch replacement on 16v 2 litre Xantia

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Hi All,
Forgot in last post to ask what other Xantias use this pull clutch idea, and indeed if any othercar makers use it. Those models I will avoid like the plague.
Greg

90 Kawa EN 500 A1- was running---now dead again
04 Kawa GPZ 500 E10 -alive and well.
54 Fiat Punto 1.2 Dynamic

Old Xantias- 16v 2litre 1997 VSX, 2 x 1993 TD Lx, S2 SX 1.9TD
Old Bx's--3 x 1.9 D, 1x 1.6 Auto, 1 x 1.9 GTi, 1 x 1.9 TZS
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