upgrade from 1.9D - peugeot motorhome / Camper
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upgrade from 1.9D - peugeot motorhome / Camper
Chaps I know this vehicle is miles off what we are used to..
Someone I know was wondering if her vehicle could be given more 'go'.
I suggested a possible easy option was to upgrade to 1.9TD..
intercooler and turbo locations allowing.
Can anyone else help with this? 2.1TD ? 2.5 TD ?
I just dont know much about the engine bay on a Van/Camper having only ever worked on Cars (ZX/Xant/405/406/205/309)
Someone I know was wondering if her vehicle could be given more 'go'.
I suggested a possible easy option was to upgrade to 1.9TD..
intercooler and turbo locations allowing.
Can anyone else help with this? 2.1TD ? 2.5 TD ?
I just dont know much about the engine bay on a Van/Camper having only ever worked on Cars (ZX/Xant/405/406/205/309)
Whats the model of the Peugeot Chassis - a Boxer ?
(look at the front - compare to the peug vans you know off)
You are not looking for more Bhp's here. This is good for acceleration and topspeed.
Instead you need more pulling torque - exactly what a turbo offers. This is good for relaxed train-like stable pulling over hills etc., with less need for constant work on the gear lever.
Any PSA 1.9TD should be a direct swap. This engine will provide approx 30% more Bhp and approx 60% more torque. Xantia or 405 would be good candidates as donor cars. You could probably get a complete donor motor on wheels for free, if you are ready to DIY a headgasket job.
Remember the cooling sytem MUST DEFINATELY be uprated accordingly with larger TD radiator and dual fan setup.
Keep the original (motorhome chassis) gearbox, as its suited for the heavier load.
(look at the front - compare to the peug vans you know off)
You are not looking for more Bhp's here. This is good for acceleration and topspeed.
Instead you need more pulling torque - exactly what a turbo offers. This is good for relaxed train-like stable pulling over hills etc., with less need for constant work on the gear lever.
Any PSA 1.9TD should be a direct swap. This engine will provide approx 30% more Bhp and approx 60% more torque. Xantia or 405 would be good candidates as donor cars. You could probably get a complete donor motor on wheels for free, if you are ready to DIY a headgasket job.
Remember the cooling sytem MUST DEFINATELY be uprated accordingly with larger TD radiator and dual fan setup.
Keep the original (motorhome chassis) gearbox, as its suited for the heavier load.
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thanks Anders
the owner was just complaining of 15mph up hills .. which i can believe from a non TD pulling all of the extra weight...
I was just concerned re: space.. will find out what the base vehicle is..
so, its Rad, intercooler, turbo unit, fans that are the main changes ? I cant think of much else, except maybe different a fuel filtering system.. which should be easy to circumvent.. otherwise its all just an engine swap...
John
the owner was just complaining of 15mph up hills .. which i can believe from a non TD pulling all of the extra weight...
I was just concerned re: space.. will find out what the base vehicle is..
so, its Rad, intercooler, turbo unit, fans that are the main changes ? I cant think of much else, except maybe different a fuel filtering system.. which should be easy to circumvent.. otherwise its all just an engine swap...
John
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Anders its one of these i am 99.5%
Talbot Express / Pug J5
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Talbot Express / Pug J5
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The J5 is an old gent on the roads.
It shared components with Iveco & C35. They had the old 2.5D (or TD) lump also known from the CX diesel models. This engine is an old workhorse completely different from any XU type.
It can not be substituted by an XUD as almost any thinkable component involved is different from the XUD powerpack range.
You might be able to stumble over a surviving specie of the Iveco/C35/J5 with the TD lump. They were quite widespread even with the TD lump. Known as sturdy workhorses.
The Boxer however is powered by an XUD variant.
It shared components with Iveco & C35. They had the old 2.5D (or TD) lump also known from the CX diesel models. This engine is an old workhorse completely different from any XU type.
It can not be substituted by an XUD as almost any thinkable component involved is different from the XUD powerpack range.
You might be able to stumble over a surviving specie of the Iveco/C35/J5 with the TD lump. They were quite widespread even with the TD lump. Known as sturdy workhorses.
The Boxer however is powered by an XUD variant.
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I'm sure my mate once replaced an XUD engine on one of those vans. From what I remember it was mounted at a different angle from the car version but the replacement engine came from a car.
I could tell you his description of the job but I'd get banned for profanity.
Next time I see him I'll ask about it and see if he thinks there would be room for the turbo.
I could tell you his description of the job but I'd get banned for profanity.
Next time I see him I'll ask about it and see if he thinks there would be room for the turbo.
Richard
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Care of a 1994 205 D.
No French cars of my own at present.
Care of a 1994 205 D.
Great !pugxpert wrote:some of the last j5 model vans did take the xud engine i remember changing an engine on one under warranty think the van was a 1991 year
I was unsure the J5/C35/Iveco ever saw the XUD ...
It really makes things a lot easier to upgrade from a standard XUD
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The Pug J5 is the same as a talbot express, and Citroen C25. NOT the C35. That's a completely different beast.
It was available with 1905cc naturally aspirated XUD9A (71hp), 2.5 naturally aspirated U25 (75hp) and 2.5 tubo (but not intercooled) diesel U25 (95hp)
The 2.5D and 2.5TD are similarl to the Citroen CX engines (although there are some important differences)
The XUD installation also has some quite important differences from any car-based install. The engine leans forward in the J5 rather than backwards as it does in all cars. Thus, the oil pump and sump are different, and I believe there are some additional oil drainback drillings in the head. The gearbox is also quite different... it is similar to that used on the 2.5 models, and in CX. It's very strong though. Also, alll the mountings are very different, and the water manifolds (both the rear and the thermostat housing on the front) are unique.
Whilst you could modify a 1.9td to fit, it would be a LOT of work. I'd have said the best option would be to get a rotten 2.5 model (there are plenty about) and do an engine swap. The 2.5 may only be 4 more hp, but it's a much torque-ier engine. I have a 2.5D C25 high-top LWB, and it's fine to drive.
One thing you wouldn't have to worry about though is the radiator and fans. Pretty much every J5 van has the same (enourmous) radiator. It would cope with about 150bhp!
15mph up hills though indicates there may well be something rather wrong with the XUD that's in there at the moment, as a "1000" spec J5 (with 1.9D engine) goes a fair bit quicker than that. How heavy is the base vehicle?
The Pug J5 is the same as a talbot express, and Citroen C25. NOT the C35. That's a completely different beast.
It was available with 1905cc naturally aspirated XUD9A (71hp), 2.5 naturally aspirated U25 (75hp) and 2.5 tubo (but not intercooled) diesel U25 (95hp)
The 2.5D and 2.5TD are similarl to the Citroen CX engines (although there are some important differences)
The XUD installation also has some quite important differences from any car-based install. The engine leans forward in the J5 rather than backwards as it does in all cars. Thus, the oil pump and sump are different, and I believe there are some additional oil drainback drillings in the head. The gearbox is also quite different... it is similar to that used on the 2.5 models, and in CX. It's very strong though. Also, alll the mountings are very different, and the water manifolds (both the rear and the thermostat housing on the front) are unique.
Whilst you could modify a 1.9td to fit, it would be a LOT of work. I'd have said the best option would be to get a rotten 2.5 model (there are plenty about) and do an engine swap. The 2.5 may only be 4 more hp, but it's a much torque-ier engine. I have a 2.5D C25 high-top LWB, and it's fine to drive.
One thing you wouldn't have to worry about though is the radiator and fans. Pretty much every J5 van has the same (enourmous) radiator. It would cope with about 150bhp!
15mph up hills though indicates there may well be something rather wrong with the XUD that's in there at the moment, as a "1000" spec J5 (with 1.9D engine) goes a fair bit quicker than that. How heavy is the base vehicle?
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