Xantia front suspension rises and falls at idle

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mickeylam
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Xantia front suspension rises and falls at idle

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Hi I have just become the proud owner of 1996 Xantia DSX auto (slow but a great engine with an easy 8) autobox) as I remember from when these were new it is quite rare :?:

I do have a problem with it though, when running at idle the front suspension will rise up and then drop down again?

I can hear a clicking every couple of seconds from the area of the accumulator sphere when the suspension is rising, but nothing when the suspension drops, also the front suspension drops as soon as the engine is stopped.

I think the previous owner did not have a clue (or whoever worked on it as the LHM was overfilled by over 1 litre). I have raised and lowered the suspension a number of times but the problem persist's.

Can anybody help :?: :?:
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AndersDK
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Hi and welcome -

Overfilling the reservoir does not harm the system - one cause ruled out :wink:

I believe your first try should be replacing the main system accumulator (SA) sphere. This is the sphere screwed onto the system pressure regulator (PR) - which again is bolted on to the front of the engine/gearbox assembly.
To be sure : the only green sphere which appears to be mounted on the engine itself.
The cost is approx £20.

Your first problem will be budging off the sphere. Its incredible tight. Any oil filter tool will slip or give up the ghost and you will most likely injury yourself.
Note that it is a rubber seal that holds the sphere tight - not corrosion. Once the sphere is "cracked" it winds off easily.

Replace using a new LHM wetted square section seal - fitted inside the mounting base - before you fit the new sphere. Tighten the sphere by handforce only.

Suggested tool :
http://www.tool-up.co.uk/shop/diy/MISBOA.html
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Mandrake
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When you say rise up and drop down again, do you mean it will keep doing this indefinately in a cycle - up, down, up, down all by itself ?

If so there are number of possible causes.

First of all, after it finishes rising, does it immediately start to sink slowly, or is there a 5 to 10 second delay with no movement, and then it drops quickly ?

If it immediately starts to sink slowly after it reaches the peak height, there may be internal leakage in the front suspension somewhere - struts or height corrector. Not very likely, but I had to mention it for completeness sake.

If on the other hand there is a 5 - 10 second delay and then it drops quite suddenly (and then repeats the cycle) it is due to mechanical stiffness (high breakout friction) in the movement of the suspension - most likely the front struts need lubricating.

Doing so is a DIY job, but you'll need safety axle stands and a bit of care to do it safely, the method of doing it has been discussed at length on the forum a few times before so a search should turn something up.

What is happening is this - height corrector thinks the height is too low so starts admiting fluid into the suspension. Normally this would cause the suspension to rise smoothly and when the correct height is reached it stops, and everything is fine.

When the movement of the suspension has high breakout friction, as more fluid goes into the suspension and pressure builds up, no movement occurs for quite some time, eventually the pressure will overcome the friction and the suspension will lurch upwards, but will come to rest too high.

Now the reverse will happen. After about a 5 second delay the height corrector will start letting out fluid but nothing will happen until the friction is overcome and the car will lurch downwards, and the cycle will repeat.

Amusing to watch, but somewhat annoying if you're trying to use the car as a car... :lol:

There are two circumstances where this behaviour can happen on a car that has struts which are in good condition - one is on full steering lock, and the other is if the car has been driven forward or backward with the suspension right down or right up.

Due to the (poor in my opinion) steering geometry in the Xantia, full steering lock applies a lot of side thrust to the strut bushes, and this can temporarily increase the breakout friction enough to cause this oscillating behaviour.

Also, the full travel of the suspension geometry causes some sideways movement of the wheels, and if the car is stationary the side thrust generated can also cause this behaviour - for example if you lower the suspension, roll the car forward a bit, then set it to normal height, most Xantia's will start oscillating up and down like this.

Another time this will happen is if for example you lift the suspension fully up, then jack up the front of the car for some reason lifting the wheels off the ground, then lower it back to the ground, and then set the ride height to normal. It will then almost certainly start oscillating, because of sideways thrust on the struts.

The "cure" in both cases is to simply roll the car slightly while near the normal ride height and the stress will be released, and the oscillating will stop.

So in summary, make sure it isn't just doing it on full steering lock (which is not uncommon) also when at normal height try rolling the car forward slightly, if it continues to oscillate by itself the struts need lubricating.

Regards,
Simon
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mickeylam
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Unread post by mickeylam »

Hi and thanks for the welcome.

I liked this forum as everybody seems so friendly and quick to reply.

Yes I was thinking (from the posts for other suspension problems) that this would be the the first port of call :wink: for sorting the problem.

Thanks I will change this first. 8)
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While i'm on the subject check that pressure relief valve screw on the PR is closed. This is the ONLY 12mm head bolt near the AS. This bolt will release the system pressure (internally not out on your feet). If not closed the system may behave exactly like yours.

Just tighten the bolt - do NOT torque it - as there is a ball bearing valve under the bolt.
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mickeylam
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Unread post by mickeylam »

Hi thanks for second reply. Wow so quick 8)

Yes it seems to reach it's height and then drop back down straight away, amusing to watch but does not seem to affect ride which is smooth. :D

M
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Unread post by mickeylam »

Will check PR release valve in the morning and let you know. have ordered a new acc sphere as it seems from what I have read that it's the only thing that will give me some brakes if the system failes :roll:
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Unread post by fridgedoc »

Hi Micky

Where are you, I've just changed my accumulator, have the tool, I'm in South London, if it helps.
Bonne Chance

Stephen

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