Xantia rear engine mount rubber

davehughes · Post by **davehughes** » 10 Jan 2006, 18:45

Has anyone changed the rubber donut in the rear engine mount without removing the mount?

I thought I saw a string here before but can't find it now.

Cheers

Dave

citronut · Post by **citronut** » 10 Jan 2006, 20:56

yes dave it is posible,it is aucward if you can cut through the metal outer band in a couple of places,then drift out the remains,make a note of the direction it layes in the housing
regards malcolm

jeremy · Post by **jeremy** » 10 Jan 2006, 22:01

Yes - I've done it on my BX - The procedure is as malcolm states - the only additional thing I did was to deep freeze the new bush to make it contract slightly so it was easier to fit.

jeremy

AndersDK · Post by **AndersDK** » 10 Jan 2006, 23:16

In line with Malcolm & Jeremy. Did it on my BX except I forgot all about freezing the new doughnut before fitting

Cut through the rubber with a hacksaw blade to remove the rubber. Then cut through the steel ring and remove the remainings. Its not that bad a job but an akward workplace it is.

bxbodger · Post by **bxbodger** » 10 Jan 2006, 23:48

When I did the one on my BX the rubber was so shot it just basically fell out, and I ran a few lines of MIG weld round the inside of the outer shell.

This both heated it up to free it and gave me something to whack on and it then came out pretty quickly, so if you have a MIG, use it!!!

This has the side effect of making it easier to get a freezer ready bearing in- you have to be quick, though!!

Only Citroen could come up with an interference fit engine mount.......

andmcit · Post by **andmcit** » 11 Jan 2006, 00:22

I've seen mention of Bx donut bushes on here before - does anyone know the diameter [in fact the overall general dimensions] of the various options that are listed with GSF.

The thing is - there are a few options so I don't know which to try. I don't think my local GSF guy will humour my "can I see them all before I buy just the one" approach!

I've kept the old duff Xm 2.0i one to use as a pattern but need something I can compare to. It even resembles the top stabiliser of the pork chop style CX bush...

The ally casting attached to a Xantia 1.9 TD engine I've got spare looks VERY similar in design if not exact in it's dimensions - I couldn't see the one on a Xant 16v 2.0i engine to confirm either - I've not been able to get these checked out yet!

Any ideas of what's actually available with these BX bushes for a tenner?

Andrew

jeremy · Post by **jeremy** » 11 Jan 2006, 00:35

I just bought the large bush - outer steel ring, lunp of rubber bonded inside with a central tube for the bolt. - Less than £10 as well.

AndersDK · Post by **AndersDK** » 11 Jan 2006, 00:37

BX, Xantia & XM XU/D doughnuts are the same. 70mm outer diameter.

V6 & 2.5D/TD mounts are specials.

If stocks runs dry on parts for earlier models there is always the option of getting the old mount re-vulcanised. This would be an easy task for your local rubber/tyre specialist.

citronut · Post by **citronut** » 11 Jan 2006, 07:29

bxbodger wrote:When I did the one on my BX the rubber was so shot it just, and I ran a few lines of MIG weld round the inside of the outert basically fell ou shell.

This both heated it up to free it and gave me something to whack on and it then came out pretty quickly, so if you have a MIG, use it!!!

This has the side effect of making it easier to get a freezer ready bearing in- you have to be quick, though!!

Only Citroen could come up with an interference fit engine mount.......

i would not recomend miging in this area,because the usual cause for this bush to rot is it gets socked with oil,and firstly you risk setting light to your car secondly you might damage the ally housing
regards malcolm

davehughes · Post by **davehughes** » 11 Jan 2006, 19:07

Thanks guys I'm doing it saturday. GSF have quoted me six quid for it from my local franchise store

Cheers

Dave

davehughes · Post by **davehughes** » 14 Jan 2006, 09:29

Before I go out in a mitue and start work on his, I just wanted to check; the rubber donut has two thicker bits of rubber, say at 9 oclock and three oclock position and then two thinner bits at 12 and 6 oclock position. Should the donut be put in this way around or should the thicker bits be at the top and bottom of the bush. I just thought this might affect the way it works. I hope this makes sense

Cheers

Dave

jeremy · Post by **jeremy** » 14 Jan 2006, 11:28

From what I remember my BX one was rather like a letter 'I' in the steel ring and the 'I' was vertical. I think the ZX is the same. You'd think that turning it through 90 degrees would stiffen it up. Photo in Haynes ZX manual shows it vertical as well.

The rubber in the thin bit is very thin and should push out. Looks like it gets there when the moulds don't meet properly or something.

davehughes · Post by **davehughes** » 14 Jan 2006, 17:21

Well I got the old one out ok! Don't bother using a hacksaw to get out the old rubber, I used an electric drill with a 13mm wood bit in the end, took 30 seconds! drive is a mess though!

The only problem is I can't get the new one in. The drivers side of the mount is a bit burred from removing the metal ring, so I'm trying to get it in from the passenger side. It's hard to tap it all round. It's dark now so I'll finish it tomorrow, and thought I might try two g-clamps. It's in half way. Anyone got any better ideas??????????????

Cheers

Dave

AndersDK · Post by **AndersDK** » 14 Jan 2006, 18:21

Sounds like it has tilted a bit. Then it locks like a drawer which is not pushed in squarely.

Keep in mind the housing is alloy and thus will not withstand too harsh blows on the donut. Instead try get the donut square before anymore bashing on it.

citronut · Post by **citronut** » 14 Jan 2006, 19:07

did you stick it in the freezer the knight before as someong said to do,as this shrinks it and then it almost drops in,also i would have filed a bevel on the butcherd side if that side had beter acsses as the housing is only alloy so easy to file
regards malcolm