A load of wobble
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A load of wobble
My question is about my Laguna...but I reckon this Cit forum will get me an answer quicker.
CAR : 1999 Laguna 1.9dTI with 167000 miles
My MOT is due in Jan so whatever is wrong 'should' be advised after Chrimbo anyway. What I've noticed in recent months is a front out-of-balance wobble but only under hard acceleration on the motorway ( 50-80 mph range ). If it was a worn CV joint, I've certainly heard no clicky noises when turning at junctions, nor is there any noticable slack in the drivetrain ( pretty good considering its miles ).
So then, what would cause a steering wobble under load ?
CAR : 1999 Laguna 1.9dTI with 167000 miles
My MOT is due in Jan so whatever is wrong 'should' be advised after Chrimbo anyway. What I've noticed in recent months is a front out-of-balance wobble but only under hard acceleration on the motorway ( 50-80 mph range ). If it was a worn CV joint, I've certainly heard no clicky noises when turning at junctions, nor is there any noticable slack in the drivetrain ( pretty good considering its miles ).
So then, what would cause a steering wobble under load ?
Worn front suspension bottom bushes?
Possibly...one replaced last year
Inner driveshaft joints?
hhmmmm... thought there would be slack in transmission, but its tight
Worn wheel bearing?
All four replaced this Springtime
Steering rack mountings loose/worn?
Sounds dangerous! Wouldn't the bunkhead clunk/vibrate?
Possibly...one replaced last year
Inner driveshaft joints?
hhmmmm... thought there would be slack in transmission, but its tight
Worn wheel bearing?
All four replaced this Springtime
Steering rack mountings loose/worn?
Sounds dangerous! Wouldn't the bunkhead clunk/vibrate?
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RE; Juddery Xantia
I've been posting threads since crimbo about my juddering Xantia, on pulling away/gearchange. I've just read all this thread and I think my problem might be slack in taking up drive. Also I may have misled you by saying juddery, its more jerky, lurching back and forth. Is there a surefire of diagnosing worn inner joints. The outer ones don't click on turning.
Cheers
Dave
Cheers
Dave
1993 Citroen Xantia 1.9 SX TD 120,000 Metallic Grey
get on your back under the car - properly supported if you want to live long enough to report your results on here - and grab the joints and push up and down feeling for play, then try end twist the 2 parts.
Seriously - make sure the car is properly supported and DON'T RELY on the hydraulic suspension - these cars can kill.
Seriously - make sure the car is properly supported and DON'T RELY on the hydraulic suspension - these cars can kill.
jeremy
Had this symptom on an Xm 2.0i until a week ago!
There was NO CV click on lock and I could not find any movement either.
The problem had only manifest itself once I'd changed the long driveshaft [that runs transverse across from the nearside gearbox behind the engine to the offside hub]. I'd gone and clumsily damaged the cage of the original one's outer CV joint changing a CV gaiter that had originally a TINY split and had failed the MOT. I'll use loctite next time!!
In the process of 'realisation' the intermediate bearing housing that also doubles as the lower engine mounting was renewed [using an expensive new Citroen part.... ].
A new recon exchange driveshaft was fitted and immediately the smooth quiet car I once knew was back!!
So for the sake of a 3mm split in the CV gaiter, the remedy cost me about 300quid...
Mind the engine doesn't 'wobble' on taking up the drive now!
Andrew
There was NO CV click on lock and I could not find any movement either.
The problem had only manifest itself once I'd changed the long driveshaft [that runs transverse across from the nearside gearbox behind the engine to the offside hub]. I'd gone and clumsily damaged the cage of the original one's outer CV joint changing a CV gaiter that had originally a TINY split and had failed the MOT. I'll use loctite next time!!
In the process of 'realisation' the intermediate bearing housing that also doubles as the lower engine mounting was renewed [using an expensive new Citroen part.... ].
A new recon exchange driveshaft was fitted and immediately the smooth quiet car I once knew was back!!
So for the sake of a 3mm split in the CV gaiter, the remedy cost me about 300quid...
Mind the engine doesn't 'wobble' on taking up the drive now!
Andrew
Andrew i didnt know citroens had an o/s and a n/s gear box HA HA HE HE HO HOandmcit wrote:Had this symptom on an Xm 2.0i until a week ago!
There was NO CV click on lock and I could not find any movement either.
The problem had only manifest itself once I'd changed the long driveshaft [that runs transverse across from the nearside gearbox behind the engine to the offside hub]. I'd gone and clumsily damaged the cage of the original one's outer CV joint changing a CV gaiter that had originally a TINY split and had failed the MOT. I'll use loctite next time!!
In the process of 'realisation' the intermediate bearing housing that also doubles as the lower engine mounting was renewed [using an expensive new Citroen part.... ].
A new recon exchange driveshaft was fitted and immediately the smooth quiet car I once knew was back!!
So for the sake of a 3mm split in the CV gaiter, the remedy cost me about 300quid...
Mind the engine doesn't 'wobble' on taking up the drive now!
Andrew
regards malcolm
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It's not the wobble I'm worried about, it's the kangerooing when I take up drive. I'm trying to find out what causes it and according to this thread it points to the cv joints. Anyway the car's getting 4 new tyres and rims this week and it's going to a citroen specialist to diagnose the kangerooing too.
I'll keep you posted.
I'll keep you posted.
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Dave - the Xantia's lower engine mounting is the same design as the one that gave up on my Xm. There's a lower big rubber donut [about 80mm approx] that stops the engine rocking when torque through the gearbox is driving out to the driveshafts when the clutch is engaged.
I determined just how shot to hell the rubber bush was on my Xm by getting the car up on a strong pair of ramps whilst a HIGHLY trusted friend engaged 1st and lifted the clutch up whilst he stood on the brake pedal with the handbrake on...
As I said, he's highly trusted!! Anyhow the engine moved a good 3/4 of an inch due to a well stuffed mounting.
Every time the clutch is engaging drive the engine is trying to do a somersault but is held in check by the gearbox hanging mounting, the top mount which has a kind of bump stop rebound AND the lower casting that's attached to the engine crankcase; this houses the donut engine stabiliser as well as a cutout that houses an intermediate bearing race on the long offside driveshaft.
It cost me 140 quid new from Citroen.
I'd wager this will be at least a contributory problem to your judder on taking up drive unless you've got a duff thrust bearing/clutch pressure plate. A clutch judder would be there all the time whereas the engine mount problem will only be there when there's a heavy load where you engage the drive on engaging the clutch.
Andrew
I determined just how shot to hell the rubber bush was on my Xm by getting the car up on a strong pair of ramps whilst a HIGHLY trusted friend engaged 1st and lifted the clutch up whilst he stood on the brake pedal with the handbrake on...
As I said, he's highly trusted!! Anyhow the engine moved a good 3/4 of an inch due to a well stuffed mounting.
Every time the clutch is engaging drive the engine is trying to do a somersault but is held in check by the gearbox hanging mounting, the top mount which has a kind of bump stop rebound AND the lower casting that's attached to the engine crankcase; this houses the donut engine stabiliser as well as a cutout that houses an intermediate bearing race on the long offside driveshaft.
It cost me 140 quid new from Citroen.
I'd wager this will be at least a contributory problem to your judder on taking up drive unless you've got a duff thrust bearing/clutch pressure plate. A clutch judder would be there all the time whereas the engine mount problem will only be there when there's a heavy load where you engage the drive on engaging the clutch.
Andrew
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Hello
a friend of mine had a renault cangoo van with exactly the same symptoms as you descride, i had the same thing on my zx so i told him it was the inner c/v joint on one of the driveshafts - he told the dealer where it had been laid up for a month with them scratching their heads and hey presto he got it back in another three days
my monies on one of the inner cv joints (no way o telling which but start with the longer drive shaft) but the bottom engine mounts do go over time.
a tell - tale sign for the bottom mount being shot is if the wobble gets worse as you drive as the mount warms up making the rubber softer and making the judder worse....
good luck
a friend of mine had a renault cangoo van with exactly the same symptoms as you descride, i had the same thing on my zx so i told him it was the inner c/v joint on one of the driveshafts - he told the dealer where it had been laid up for a month with them scratching their heads and hey presto he got it back in another three days
my monies on one of the inner cv joints (no way o telling which but start with the longer drive shaft) but the bottom engine mounts do go over time.
a tell - tale sign for the bottom mount being shot is if the wobble gets worse as you drive as the mount warms up making the rubber softer and making the judder worse....
good luck
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The rear engine mount was replaced last year by the previous owner, so I am sure it can't be that. The car doesn't really judder it jerks back and forth. If I get the car at biting point with the bonnet open the engine doesn't move that much. I'm really into the idea of it being in the driveshafts at the mo as it does seem to be a bit clunky on taking up drive. Also the steering wheel is not quite straight its always turned slightly to the right is this a symptom of having one bad drive shaft. Theres no clicking, but I do get the wobble described at the start of this thread between 70 and 80 mph.
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Dont be so certain regarding the engine mounts, if people are advising that it could well be that then it could well be that...i can only say that when i bought the zx tempatation over a year ago now when i decided to service it that was something that was done and now my mum has it that was also something that was done again (in about 14 months i would say)....and the guy who did it for me is quite a decent citroen chap but it makes me wonder none the less
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