405 estate cornering problems
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405 estate cornering problems
When going round a roundabout the rear of my 1993 405 estate pushes out causing the vehicle to spin.The shockers and bushes seem ok.Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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What are the tyres like? Any play in the suspension components?
Front wishbones? drop links, top mounts, anti roll bars ok?
To spin a 405 either something is worn / broken or you are driving beyond the chassis capabilities! ( Not possible with a 405 )
Sounds like the rear trailing arm bearings are shot, Might be time for a new / re-con rear beam assembly.
You really need to get it up on a 4 poster ramp & have a good push & pull on the suspension, Give those rear trailing arms a good look at!
Front wishbones? drop links, top mounts, anti roll bars ok?
To spin a 405 either something is worn / broken or you are driving beyond the chassis capabilities! ( Not possible with a 405 )
Sounds like the rear trailing arm bearings are shot, Might be time for a new / re-con rear beam assembly.
You really need to get it up on a 4 poster ramp & have a good push & pull on the suspension, Give those rear trailing arms a good look at!
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If you have cheapie tyres set at full load psi and have an empty car and a fairly empty fuel tank and corner fast on a damp road it is quite possible for the back end to kick out. esp if there is a hint of oil on the damp road. (i know this as i spun my car on my way to work last week on a roundbout in warrington in the above conditions)
Or having cheapie tyres that are at the wear blocks and need changing again on a wet road. (did this last yr back end became un managable and kept wanting to kick out bought new rear tyres and no more problem)
Or having cheapie tyres that are at the wear blocks and need changing again on a wet road. (did this last yr back end became un managable and kept wanting to kick out bought new rear tyres and no more problem)
Could be classic lift off oversteer. If you think "blimey, going a bit quick here" and ease off the throttle or, even worse, brake mid-bend, the back of the car goes light and the back end can snap around. My 306 would drift a little under these circumstances on a greasy road. I think most front wheel drive cars can do this if you are really pushing hard. Ideally, you should brake hard while going straight and get back on the throttle slightly before turning in. Works on a track anyway!
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Could be classic lift off oversteer. If you think "blimey, going a bit quick here" and ease off the throttle or, even worse, brake mid-bend, the back of the car goes light and the back end can snap around. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
You would have to be driving like a right idiot to get a 405 to behave like that.
I used to be able to get the rear wheel inches clear of the ground easily when cornering in both my 405s & it always felt like it had loads more grip to fall back on.
Even lifting rear wheels I never got anywhere near the limits of the 405s chassis & I dont expect anybody else to through everyday driving.
Also any 405, even the rubbish 1.4 will eat a 306 around corners ( except S16 / GTI 6 ) for breakfast, Theres no contest, the 405 has the much better chassis.
To spin a 405 there must be something not right with the suspension set up or tyres.
Could be classic lift off oversteer. If you think "blimey, going a bit quick here" and ease off the throttle or, even worse, brake mid-bend, the back of the car goes light and the back end can snap around. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
You would have to be driving like a right idiot to get a 405 to behave like that.
I used to be able to get the rear wheel inches clear of the ground easily when cornering in both my 405s & it always felt like it had loads more grip to fall back on.
Even lifting rear wheels I never got anywhere near the limits of the 405s chassis & I dont expect anybody else to through everyday driving.
Also any 405, even the rubbish 1.4 will eat a 306 around corners ( except S16 / GTI 6 ) for breakfast, Theres no contest, the 405 has the much better chassis.
To spin a 405 there must be something not right with the suspension set up or tyres.
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Many thanks for the replies.Had the car up on ramps the shockers and bushes are ok.I should have mentioned that until recently I towed a fully loaded unbraked trailer for approx 150 miles per week for several years,also last year I replaced the drop links and rear bushes on the front wishbones which was a pig of a job to align the marks on the bush with the mark on the wishbone.