24v Diesel BX?

vanny · Post by **vanny** » 10 Jan 2005, 00:06

Yeah, i think i might be loosing it to be honest!
This link appeared on the bx16v website
its a guy who has put a 12v XM diesel into a BX. It's given me some brilliant ideas on sorting some of the niggles with my BX, but i'm never one to be out done when it comes to the diesel.
What is the 12v XM diesel lump based on, i assume its not too well related to the XUD?
What differences are there between the 12v and 24v diesel XM engines? I looked at one not too long ago and it seemed huge, but then the 12v also seemed pretty large. I'm wondering if i really could put the 24v into the BX?
At the same time, im thinking 4x4, but the standard 4x4 is a little desiring, doesnt really have a history of reliability. But why? I seem to remember that the rear box is pretty safe and reliable and it's the front transmission thats the problem. Is there another option? Have there been any other PSA 4x4's (except maybe the 2CV 4x4). With Landrover engines running transverse i assume that its not an option, Subaru's front trans probably wont fit but its way too expensive anyway.
Could make for an interesting final year project!
thoughts, insults (only about my sanity), recomendations, finance and donations all eagerly awaited!
Vanny

Post by **martyhopkirk** » 10 Jan 2005, 00:14

Fiat Panda (mk 1) 4 x 4 - theres one in Ulverston, needs a little fettling but will off road as good as a landy (just wont tow).

Post by **philhoward** » 10 Jan 2005, 00:41

Wasn't aware of a 24V Diesel (in an XM, anyway); AFAIK, the 12V was the 2.1 4-cyl XUD lump as used in the Xantia, but without the full electronic control.
I very much doubt the stock BX4x4 setup would cope with a N/A 1.9D lump, let alone the 2.1TD! If you're after serious grafting, what about a (wash my mouth out) Cavalier/Calibra 4x4 setup? They coped with the petrol turbos...just

bikeboyz · Post by **bikeboyz** » 10 Jan 2005, 01:52

Diesel XM started life as XUD 2088cc (110bhp), and finally as a 130bhp indirect injection 2446cc. I don't know if the 2.5 was XUD? I doubt it was based around XD3 or I'd be popping one in the 504! Both engines were 8v only. You'd certainly get the 2.1 lump under the hood of the BX, maybe with a 6 speed gearbox from a 306.

vanny · Post by **vanny** » 10 Jan 2005, 03:13

well i didnt know about a 24v diesel, but i open up the hood of a really nice looking XM exclusive in the scrap yard to see the letters 24v in front of me, was quite surprised. I may be wrong, but im sure thats what it is!
The Vauxhall 4x4 is a good suggestion i was kind of thinking something Ford Sierra esc, but there just doesnt seem to be any European 4x4's or at least not a realistic one that i can think of. Except maybe the specials like the 4tc, but again a longitudinal engine and an extra 12" stuck to the front, not to worried about an extension, but body panels for it might be a little difficult. Guess i could always glass some up!
130bhp sound interesting, but from a 2.5 litre diesel following on from the XUD9, it seems a bit like a sheep in wolfs clothing. I guess the BX just aint gonna get more powerfull than the Mi16 without some serious magic!

vanny · Post by **vanny** » 10 Jan 2005, 04:03

well you know i might have found my solution! The Peugeot 505 DANGEL, its a 505 with a 4x4 system bolted to the bottom!

Guess a reckon trip to france may be in order, and god help the SVA tester when i turn up with my creation!

turbolag · Post by **turbolag** » 10 Jan 2005, 21:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by philhoward
If you're after serious grafting, what about a (wash my mouth out) Cavalier/Calibra 4x4 setup? They coped with the petrol turbos...just
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">As an ex poxhall techie I can advise to steer well clear. Even the NA versions of the Cavalier GSi 4x4 and the very rare NA Calibra 4x4 were painfully fragile and used to much transfer boxes like they were made from soap. The turbo versions were as structuarally sound as a used hand grenade.

ACTIVE8 · Post by **ACTIVE8** » 10 Jan 2005, 22:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">As an ex poxhall techie I can advise to steer well clear. Even the NA versions of the Cavalier GSi 4x4 and the very rare NA Calibra 4x4 were painfully fragile and used to much transfer boxes like they were made from soap. The turbo versions were as structuarally sound as a used hand grenade.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
So, in your experience, were the XR 4 X 4's, Escort and Sierra Cosworths any better in comparison to the Vauxhalls ?
I found from my experience the Fords were O.K. [:D] [8D]
Also many have been modified with performance upgrades to the engine, and the drivetrain has been well up to the extra performance !

bikeboyz · Post by **bikeboyz** » 11 Jan 2005, 00:45

Perhaps a Dangel 4x4 Citroen Belingo TD to butcher for your BX?

Post by **philhoward** » 11 Jan 2005, 23:59

I was trying to think of something a) transverse engined, b) easily available and c) with more power than Fiat Panda - the old one...
The Fords seemed to cope with anything upto 250bhp-ish, dependant upon how often you fancied overhauling it.
Longitudional-engined 4x4 systems are more common, because the harder part of the conversion (driving the back wheels) is already done. FWD ones are a little more difficult to come by - but the centre diff is usually the one to fail first.
Can't find any pics, but the LR Freelander uses a transverse engine.....and that's got a BMW 2.0 on it...

vanny · Post by **vanny** » 12 Jan 2005, 00:25

It's all been a pathetic phalacy!
The 504 Dangel is a longitudinal-engined 4x4 system destroying that plan!
DANGEL Automotive wont supply the diff on its own, so the only way i could do it is buy the Berlingo 4x4 and taking the parts off that and i dont fancy my chances of finding one on the cheap. the whole project would end up costing more than a Delorean, so theres only one option now, buy the delorean!
As for the 24v diesel, it was a 12v, guess i spent too much time in the sun the day i saw it

oh well, i'll have to come up with something else. Or i'll just lash a diesel into a 8v GTi 4x4 and see how many miles i get before a rebuild!