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Dormouse wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 09:38 I recognise the Skoda in your pics. It is a 130 LS and was either owned by or departed the ownership of a Dr English. This was at the time when my own road rally prepped Skoda 120 LS was flying about Aberdeenshire in it's white race colour scheme with vivid blue roof and a red band below the windows.
I remember that car!

I bought that 130GL from a gent down in Birmingham, who memory tells me was the head of the owner's club or something similar at the time. Was a cracking car, absolutely rust free. Sadly it's days were ended when an idiot lorry driver failed to give way at a cross roads.
CitroJim wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 04:33 Wow! Excellent Zel :D It ticks all the boxes... Rare, French, locally registered (Northamptonshire) and it's a bit special... Love it :D

Definitely worth spending time on to get it lovely again... Well done!
The question of course Jim is how close were you to guessing what it was?
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Does that R25 have the talking dash? One I sold did and the man who bought it hated it after a short while saying he wished it would shut up.
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I had a R11 TXE Electronic with the talky option. It wittered on all day long and I let it, found it amusing.
There was an option to shut it up though.
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A friend of mine's father had one with the talking dash. He was caught by a copper doing a right turn across a dual carriageway where the signs said 'No Right Turn'. When asked why he'd done the right turn he told the copper the car had said to stop immediately due to low oil pressure - the copper was dubious until he showed him what the car was capable of saying :lol: Don't think you'd get away with that nowadays :-D
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Gibbo2286 wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 12:00 Does that R25 have the talking dash? One I sold did and the man who bought it hated it after a short while saying he wished it would shut up.
Thankfully not. Trip computer and voice synth weren't standard on the Monaco, though you could spec them I believe.

Seems sort of strange these days looking at a car that's as lavishly trimmed as this, at this end of the market without things like a trip computer, AC - or rear electric windows!

You got the special paint, seats out the top of the line V6, some leather padding on the door tops and the top of the line stereo...that was basically it above a standard mid range 25. Which meant front electric windows (not actually sure you could get the 25 without front ones, there's nowhere for the winder to fit), power steering, remote central locking and a rear wiper I think. This one has a sunroof, though my previous one didn't so that was obviously specced by the original owner.
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bobins wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 12:43 A friend of mine's father had one with the talking dash. He was caught by a copper doing a right turn across a dual carriageway where the signs said 'No Right Turn'. When asked why he'd done the right turn he told the copper the car had said to stop immediately due to low oil pressure - the copper was dubious until he showed him what the car was capable of saying :lol: Don't think you'd get away with that nowadays :-D
A long story but mine saved me from a drink-driving hiccup, it wouldn't shut up while the officer was talking, he couldn't get a word in and abandoned it.
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Zelandeth wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 11:33 The question of course Jim is how close were you to guessing what it was?
As wrong as it is possible to be Zel :wink: I was convinced it was yellow and a snippet of which appears in one of your pictures!

I'd have put money on it but maybe good job I didn't!

The Renault is an excellent acquisition and I'll be looking forward to seeing it :) Is the colour Marron Glace? I used to have an R5 in that colour in the early 80s...
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CitroJim wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 14:43
Zelandeth wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 11:33 The question of course Jim is how close were you to guessing what it was?
As wrong as it is possible to be Zel :wink: I was convinced it was yellow and a snippet of which appears in one of your pictures!

I'd have put money on it but maybe good job I didn't!

The Renault is an excellent acquisition and I'll be looking forward to seeing it :) Is the colour Marron Glace? I used to have an R5 in that colour in the early 80s...
Cannot remember the name of the colour, though I'm definitely going to need some paint so will likely be finding out shortly.

Metro to be honest aside from being picky about the colour isn't one I'd struggle to find if I wanted, they're still *relatively* plentiful, just mostly hidden away aside from during the show season. The issue there is that I'd probably be looking at somewhere in the region of £5K for one in the sort of condition (i.e. there being little enough rust I can just throw it at Krown every couple of years and have it stay that way!). Which much as I'd love it, is just way too much.

Especially as I can see with the way fuel prices are going that smaller classics like that are likely to get even more desirable.

Plus to be honest the position that would probably take in the fleet is kinda occupied by TPA at the moment. Plus I have a friend who's basically left an open invitation to take his MG Metro out to be exercised when it's not in winter storage which helps. Even if mine sounded better and was a better colour!
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Zel, I think you may have missed my last post about central locking remotes and mince pies? :-D
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mickthemaverick wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 20:05 Zel, I think you may have missed my last post about central locking remotes and mince pies? :-D
I thought I might have cracked the central locking problem today, but not quite sadly. So you might still be on for that!

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Didn't have quite as productive a day today as I'd hoped. Apparently I didn't budget my energy yesterday quite as well as I thought I had, so got kicked in the behind this morning and it wasn't until the early afternoon that I was really mentally firing on all cylinders again. Which is particularly annoying as I'd really hoped to get along to the last Milton Keynes Classic Car Club breakfast meet of the year with the R25, moss and all.

I always find it slightly surprising when people go and spend major amounts of money resurrecting a vehicle...

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Then there's another one a couple of months later for another £800 of work...Yet then they skimp on things like you know...Replacing the tyres.

This is the newest one on the car. From 2003.

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They're all budget brands, and two of them appear to be pre-2000. Can't say I'm surprised as it's something I see all the time, but it's just something which doesn't compute to my brain. I'm also of the opinion that tyre condition is one area that the MOT is way, way too lenient.

Suffice to say a full new set of tyres will be getting ordered tomorrow and hopefully will be on the car by mid week.

A slightly worrying thing from the driver's seat is the fact that the temperature gauge sits roughly here under normal driving.

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Moving around pretty much exactly as you would expect on a car with a real gauge rather than the nonsense a lot of moderns are fitted with when traffic etc, but with no signs of distress that I'd tend to expect if we were near enough brushing the red. I got the IR thermometer out today and confirmed that it's sitting somewhere around 90C (the actual head even on the exhaust side is around 120C), which is about what I'd expect to see. Even when pulling off the road and immediately checking it, the hoses are uncomfortable to touch, but not burning so and there's no excess pressure in the system. We'll see if a new sender sorts that out. Though I'm sure I do vaguely remember this being a somewhat common issue.

In an effort to extinguish the washer fluid level warning light I went to put some screenwash in - oh look, it's full.

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So that will be a problem with the level sensor then. Unfortunately it's not a simple matter of unplugging it as both the washer motor and level sensor use a combined connector - curse you Renault!

I have a sneaking suspicion given how long this car sat around off the road (and that the tank appears to just be filled with water) that the reservoir will be somewhat full of slime and the float is probably just stuck to the bottom of the tank. I'll really need to get it out of the car to investigate though as it's pretty much impossible to even look down the neck of it in situ. I need to delve into the scuttle anyway to clean and lubricate the heater blower motor which is a little squeaky anyway so may as well hit both of these jobs at the same time.

The engine bay is filthy. Though astonishingly free of bodges for a car of this age. The only obvious thing I've found is an aftermarket cooling fan having been fitted and the wiring for that being a little untidy (though perfectly serviceable). I am very looking forward to cleaning this though.

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It always felt to me like that manifold should have a heat shield on it, though I've never actually seen one on any of these. Possibly a shroud for the warm air intake for the carb fed variants maybe?

This pretty much confirms my suspicions that while this car had a good couple of grand spent on it back in 2017 it's never had a service since.

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That filter's been on there a day or two. The oil's not disgusting but is definitely dirtier than I like to see in my engines. I'll be ordering in a service kit tomorrow.

Speaking of cleaning things, the coolant expansion tank is absolutely foul inside. The actual coolant I can see looks nice and clear, but the tank is grim. I think this was used on a whole bunch of models, so replacing it (so I can actually see the coolant level without having to remove the cap - you currently can't) might wind up being the easier option to sort this mess out.

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This brings us to the vicinity of the worst of the corrosion I've found (so far!) on the inner wings.

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Plus a little hole down here on the offside.

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Given the lack of "stuff" around these areas and that the outer wings are bolted on I don't think getting these bits properly sorted should be too massive a headache.

It's always nice on cars like this when you find a set of factory mats still present, as aftermarket ones never really fit as well. I don't think these are original to the car as I think they would have been a lighter colour - though I'm quite prepared to be proven wrong there.

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There are a few bits of glass floating around the interior as she's obviously had the passenger window smashed at some point. Kind of supports my belief that she's spent a fair time either sitting around in a city or a storage yard somewhere.

Given we've established this was a Northampton registered car, I have to wonder if these are actually still the original dealer plates.

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Given the format of the phone number they must date pretty early from during the car's life.

The sticker in the rear window on the other hand has fared rather less well!

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One nice feature I was glad to see what still there was the original stereo - these were rather special by the standards of the time and were very much part of the look of the dash.

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Sadly I've not been able to get any audio out of this save for a soft thump when it's powered on - though that may well be tied in to the issues we have with the digital display as if there's a problem with the comms to that panel which might make it think a button is being permanently held down it could lock the system up. Failing that I'll need to do some further digging. This wasn't just a flashy looking bit of bling either, the stereo in these cars sounded really good, especially by the standards of the time. I remember being really impressed with it back when I had my previous one in 2003, and my home hi-fi wasn't exactly poor then either.

There are quite a lot of nice touches on this car, one of which I'd forgotten about until noticing it this afternoon is the mini-sun visor in the middle.

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Which does away with the usual gap you get between the left and right ones around the mirror.

There are (really rather large) door pockets hidden away under the arm rests, which you could be forgiven for missing entirely if you didn't know they were there. A nice way of reducing visual clutter, and keeping stuff out of the way of prying eyes. I do have to wonder if this is where the idea for the ones in the Series 2 Xantias came from as they're very similar...

I am in the market for a couple of parts. Firstly, an offside tail light as this one has a crack in and has a small ecosystem merrily growing inside which is less than ideal.

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I'll clean it out and seal the crack up, but it will want to be replaced long term.

Additionally one of the prongs that holds the cap onto the driver's door driver's side electric window switch is broken so the cap falls off. There was a spare in the car but it turns out to be for the passenger window switch, and they have differently keyed connectors. I'm sure the switches are actually identical and it's purely to aid in assembly (as the switches are visually identical), so I could just hack away the extra bit of plastic if it came to it.

Interestingly the boot was hiding a box full of a set of wheel trims...which while for a French car, not *this* French car. If anyone with a BX wants these, drop me a PM.

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Few scuffs around the edges of a couple but they could absolutely be cleaned up.

I went to pick up to dispose of what I thought was an empty plastic bag sitting down by the handbrake only to discover there was actually something in it.

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Keys! Most importantly a spare door key as I was expecting getting hold of one of those to be a right war as they're such an odd type.

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Also present was a key blade for fitting to a remote fob...and two of said fobs...one in decent shape, one rather ratty (this key isn't for this car by the way which is why I've not bothered keeping the bitting of the actual key hidden at all).

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My theory was that the one that was falling apart was for this car, and the other one was from a scrapper intended to donate the case. The innards of both remotes worked with a fresh set of batteries, but sadly neither locks or unlocks the car. Shame, but it was being a bit optimistic. As I understand it these remotes are paired to the car at the factory and there's no way to sync a different one with the car after the fact. So unless I could get one coded to the car from Renault (which I really rather doubt at this point) I'm probably out of luck there.

Does mean I've been able to assemble a remote style key for the car though, so I can use that instead of the "backup" style one shown to the left below. This is a good deal less fiddly to get into the ignition it has to be said.

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Ran out of daylight and energy by that point though, so that's where we draw to a close for today. Tomorrow I'll get the necessary items for a service in and a set of fresh tyres ordered up. If time permits I'll start cleaning it, but I suspect the three and a half minutes of usable daylight we have at this time of year will run out before I get that far.
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Excellent Zel :D All looking very promising! Had I not been in Wendover Woods yesterday I would have go to the last MK CCC meet with Bluebell but timings didn't work out - as is so often the case... Far too much happens on Sunday mornings and lots of clashes result...

A five figure phone number with no STD code on that Mann Egerton number plate does indeed suggest it's original...
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She has landed squarely on her wheels when she joined your fleet, Zel (a bit like the Jag did).
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I really wish all insurance companies were like Hagerty. Just phoned up to switch cover from the Cavalier to the R25. Took a grand total of seven minutes, at least two of which was me having to run downstairs to grab my bank card which I'd left in my jacket pocket. Absolute picture of efficiency. Cost me a whole £40 a year more than the Cavalier, so no disaster there - which is nice as I'm used to bigger French cars being surprisingly expensive to insure. That was one of the factors in play when I chose to move the Xantia on, it was costing me the best part of a grand a year to insure.
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Zelandeth wrote: 05 Dec 2022, 10:51 That was one of the factors in play when I chose to move the Xantia on, it was costing me the best part of a grand a year to insure.
Gosh :o That's outrageous... Was that price as your primary 'modern' or as a classic?

I find Adrian Flux a bit like you have found Hagerty to be. Very efficient and rapid... When I swapped from Daffodil to Bluebell most of the phone time was friendly chat and banter with the lady at the other end of the phone... Most of it off-topic....

The only pain was the £35 admin fee :twisted:
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CitroJim wrote: 05 Dec 2022, 13:19
Zelandeth wrote: 05 Dec 2022, 10:51 That was one of the factors in play when I chose to move the Xantia on, it was costing me the best part of a grand a year to insure.
Gosh :o That's outrageous... Was that price as your primary 'modern' or as a classic?

I find Adrian Flux a bit like you have found Hagerty to be. Very efficient and rapid... When I swapped from Daffodil to Bluebell most of the phone time was friendly chat and banter with the lady at the other end of the phone... Most of it off-topic....

The only pain was the £35 admin fee :twisted:
That was on a standard policy as I had to have one car on one, and it was by far the most modern. Flux wanted £1200!

I've sworn never to use them after some absolutely diabolical behaviour on their part (auto renewing a policy and nearly doubling the cost, when somehow several reminder emails, a posted letter had all "got lost" and I was "unreachable" on several occasions when they tried to phone me apparently. That's one of several issues I've had). However have ended up using them anyway for the Caddy as they own half the industry and trade under about 50 different names...first I knew of any connection between Stirling van insurance and Adrian Flux was when I phoned up to increase my mileage allowance. Which took about half an hour and felt like pulling teeth.
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