Citroen C6

Unread post by **Thunderbird** » 15 Oct 2004, 15:22

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Interesting: Better?
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Much better - better economy, better handling, comfort, much better active and passive safety, much better performances, much better material (quality!), etc, etc.
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Will a C6 last for 40 years, as many DSs still in daily use have done?
Would I be able to maintain it myself?
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It will much more resistant and won't rust. Most replacements will be electronics. You won't be able to maintain it yourself.
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Will the (unneccessary) electronics be repairable into the foreseeable future, without buying an IC factory?
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Leave it to Citroen and use your time to do other things. They plug the computer, replace the chips, you pay and go home happy with your hands clean.
The future is here, it's pointless to resist.
The SM may now rest in peace - a better car is about to born.

Stuart McB · Unread post by **Stuart McB** » 15 Oct 2004, 16:55

That first C6 picture above. Is it a coupe? if so it looks great to me. Nice big motor way muncher. If it's going to be a large (barge) 4 door then forget it. Just look at how BMW have lost that critical edge on design. The new ones look like the boot has been and after thought on the whole new range. In town (Bham) most of the cars driven by the chair of the board are cheap little Nissan micra's or a like. Cheap to run, easy to park plus the tax man like's them.

Unread post by **martyhopkirk** » 15 Oct 2004, 17:22

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Would I be able to maintain it myself?
Will the (unneccessary) electronics be repairable into the foreseeable future, without buying an IC factory?
Thought not.....
OK for some, not for me. Chacun a son gout.
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D'you know, this is what worries me about the Xantia, i love it to bits, but cant see it being a useable practical classic because of all the electronic gubbins... Remember the Aston Martin Lagonda? not a hope in hell of getting any of the wonderful big chunky red LED display to work if the chips go, because although only 17 years old, the electronics are redundant and out of date (and strangely not repairable anymore). So if you want to keep your C5 / C6 etc on the road in 40 years, get hunting ebay and build a stockpile of ecus up!

rossnunn · Unread post by **rossnunn** » 16 Oct 2004, 01:54

Anyone see the prototype photos for the xantia coupe? never made it - think Pug stole it can called it the 406 coupe

Unread post by **martyhopkirk** » 16 Oct 2004, 22:20

Will the C6 have a rear wiper?
Possibly the strangest bit Citroen chose to leave off the C5

NiSk · Unread post by **NiSk** » 16 Oct 2004, 22:46

Sorry, no rear wiper . . .
check out the shots under "foto-show" on this link:
http://www.autoweek.nl/newsdisp.php?cache=no&ID=2817
have you ever seen a more beautiful car??
//NiSk

Unread post by **martyhopkirk** » 16 Oct 2004, 22:58

No rear wiper, Oh Citroen what are you playing at!

I Think its got a fat bum though. Front lovely and then looks like designer wandered off and back end was finished by the tea boy.

NiSk · Unread post by **NiSk** » 16 Oct 2004, 23:03

It doesn't look nearly as attractive in the darker colour as it did in the sand-beige metallic of teh original (1999) version.
//NiSk

Unread post by **martyhopkirk** » 16 Oct 2004, 23:14

Seen the shots of the silver car, much nicer i think. Still your talking to somone who thinks teh Triumph Stag was/ is truly the most sexy and attractive car on the planet!

uhn113x · Unread post by **uhn113x** » 17 Oct 2004, 14:35

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Leave it to Citroen and use your time to do other things. They plug the computer, replace the chips, you pay and go home happy with your hands clean.
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And your wallet severely depleted...........
Sorry, TB, not for me. The thought of letting a garage apply the kiss of death to any of my fleet, or buying something with built-in obsolescence fills me with dread. [:(]
Too many perfectly good cars are scrapped because the great unwashed have been brainwashed by the marketroids. And if a C6 is more comfortable than my DS, I will happily munch away at the nearest hat!
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I also regard powerful brakes, centre-point steering and big windows as decent primary safety features.

NiSk · Unread post by **NiSk** » 17 Oct 2004, 23:42

I work with technical documentation and both of the Swedish car manufacturers have been customers over the years, when I was talking to the SAAB service manager about the level of technological competence once (My company was preparing a proposal for a new system-based electrical workshop manual) of the workshop engineers, he said:
"There are workshop engineers who have a little compentence when it comes to electronic systems and there are those who have none . . . " end quote!
SO, best get yourself a tame workshop engineer with SOME competence, or do a course in on-board electronics and kit yourself out with the necessary equipment.
Why do manufacturers permit this situation?
1) It makes them lots of money, since Joe Average hasn't a clue
2) People who really have the necessary knowledge, don't think workshop mechanics get paid enough
//NiSk (I'm feeling pleased with myself today - diagnosed that the shuddering on the new XM was due to a warped disc (despite the obvious fact that it was new) changed it for one from the old crashed TD12 - no vibs! While I was at it I had a look at the ABS system, (which has said "ABS out of use" since I got the car) and discovered a break in the conductors on the flexicable just by one of the sharp bends above the brake caliper - cut and soldered and now the ABD'S works as well!)

Unread post by **Thunderbird** » 18 Oct 2004, 14:44

In a few years, I will probably go with Mercedes:
- Spares available for a lifetime (unlike Citroen)
- Competent maintenance by Mercedes (unlike Citroen)
- Maintenance cost identical to Citroen!! [:0][xx(][|)]
- Better materials, better construction quality
- Silence, refinement, superior automatic transmission
- More power [}:)]
- Last but not least, better pneumatic suspension. Citroen has been making it for years, Mercedes just arrives and makes one better! [:0][:0][:0]
Thunderbird,
Citroenist jus for a fer more years

NiSk · Unread post by **NiSk** » 18 Oct 2004, 16:13

Just to jog your memory T-bird, Mercedes made the 600 pullman with pneumatic suspension way back in the 60's.
For your sake, lets hope that not too much Chrysler rubs off on the new Merc models . . .
. . their series of light vans (those made in Spain) are already starting to prove troublesome.
//NiSk

Unread post by **Thunderbird** » 18 Oct 2004, 17:46

NiSK,
That preocupation (Chrysler) came to my mind.
I just hope they won't touch E and S classes...
Why would someone want to destroy the best cars in the world?

activa · Unread post by **activa** » 18 Oct 2004, 17:46

Thunderbird, you should run a poll to see that people who own Mercedes aren't as happy as you think they are. Most new models have a lot of problems that, cost a lot,unless they are covered by the guarantee period. Second, when you buy a Mercedes and pay twice as much than a Citroen (go and find how it would cost to buy a Mercedes "Activa") you would EXPECT it to last longer and be more reliable...And finally, I am not sure if Mecedes' pneumatic suspension is better than Citroen's Hydractive 3....