Sinker xantia scrap or keep, bosch fuel pump issues...

[citroenxm]

Had this starting issue with a customers car after a pump swap... starting issues in the morning, unless primed first, then perfectly fine! No external leaks... however, I found when I did a pump swap, I tightend a Banjo bolt, on the inlet TOO much, and had split the thread slightly!! This allowed enough air overnight in to drain the fuel back!

Replaced the banjo and het presto, instant start every time!

[PhilGreaves]

arrgghh sh*t oil leak ..minor i think but it is now low on oil. Begining to think it may be too much for me....

This car has never ever leaked oil. or used any...

on the plus side no diesel leak right now (maybe as its warm?)

Rattle is getting worse, inside now at 1700 - 2000 rpm you get a low almost bass like vibration through the dashboard plastics.....it used to be uber quiet so this is new too.

I feel like painting it red, snapping a branch off a tree and repeatedly hitting it after ive collected some duck.

oh and frenchies havent got back to me.. Just found a new email so il try on that.

Edit: Just heard from the garage, mechanic away getting parts in france for ICCCR garage, i an take it in and malcolm will remove pump and send back to firm who rebuilt it- "confident of fixing it" all free of course. Just worried about the oil leaks now. 3 of them. Temperature light has gone from flickering to permanently on- presuming its been knocked in the clutch /fuel pump change. Anybody know where the connection is? (may be worth giving it a wiggle)

oh dear, oh dear, oh dear,

Phil
p.S this is why all i wanted to do was mot it not do the clutch and not fiddle with the fuel pump. if only id ignored the parents

[PhilGreaves]

Frenchies have got back to me. Pump sold. I replied..i understood you reconditioned them? I mean how can you run out of a service?!

I think the oil leak is due to it not being serviced because thinking about it its dont it before when we've been late. My msitake sorry!

Starter motor gone..so if i keep it that needs doing. Theres still something vibration/noise like going on. Hasnt leaked diesel since that first time though. So maybe its ok? (residue?) Or becuase the weathers warmer.

Anyway ill keep you guys posted. Gotta go major problems insurance wise with the BX. If you are with Footman James insurance and under 21 beware..you may not be able to renew, if you're 21-25 they may increase four fold. If your 30-50s they may increase 20-50%. Beware! Some reporting that reminder letters have gone a astray.

see you at the icccr (the xantia will stand out )

Phil

[CitroJim]

Anyway ill keep you guys posted. Gotta go major problems insurance wise with the BX. If you are with Footman James insurance and under 21 beware..you may not be able to renew, if you're 21-25 they may increase four fold. If your 30-50s they may increase 20-50%. Beware! Some reporting that reminder letters have gone a astray.
Phil

Gosh

Still, guess they need the revenue for their lavish advertising and sponsorship of various high-profile classic shindigs...

They only need a small ad to say they insure classic cars. No more. And stop the sponsorship of things. That might cut premiums in half...

[PhilGreaves]

on insurance companies ***** *** ** **** obviously rather annoying...so i just sorned the thing! neh stick it insurance companies..ahem..A

just reminded me that i never updated on this. opps

After the initial leak of diesel it never leaked again. (residue/diesel on undercarriage from having pump off? etc). Banjo bolt rings a bell for some reason. How would i check if this is too tight /damaged thread. Please dont say dismantle as the xantias the only working car really!

Definately coming round to the idea that the rattle is because i havent had it serviced..cant afford it...and i thought it would've been scrapped by now. Which reminds me of an unbelievable bx related story at the icccr but i digress... well its late..

Difficult to start in cold weather and lots of white smoke (enough to gas yorkshire)..remind me why its not glowplugs again? Bearing in mind fuel pump now seems to be working fine. Had new plugs fitted but they were NGK (previously used bosch). About 2 years ago now. Mind someone on here and Neil both said air ingression at the icccr on the symptoms...I rekon in another month when it gets really cold it may not start.

Also worrying is the hydraulic leak. It did it last year too. But i just ignored it . Only in cold weather and worse from cold. Almost like the pipe shrinks in cold weather . The puddle on the floor appears 6-8 inches to the right from the centre of the bonnet (chevrons being the centre obviously!) and about a foot in. LHM soaked pipes etc in engine bay. Also a lot of hiss on steering of more than 1/3 lock left and thinking about it the puddle was much bigger when it had been shunted into a tight parking space last week at a vauxhall* dealers (lots of steering required) though it was especially cold too..return pipe/FDV? Have known the stop light to flicker on of late but presumed that its just because its been going up hill/18 year old car/dodgy sensor..hmm..Any thoughts

i'm going to try to check it tomorrow. But my mum's using it for work still as she still can't/won't get a replcament car . Really annoying.......I'll admitt its not helped by modern cars being mostly sh*t and engineered by brainless morons to last no more than 20 seconds...still most garages will still take the xantia as trade in.

i'll have a go priming the fuel pump tomorrow morning as i havent done it in cold weather so should be intereseting to see if it solves the problem.

thanks in advance for any advice,

Phil

*you may laugh at vauxhall but they are now using 'hydraulics' (ish same effects) not that we were looking at those. We were looking at a C3 picasso...to any xantia owners..dont bother. The only positive ride quality aspect is that its better than a ford cmax...makes me wonder just bad the DS5 rides?! Hopefuly with the next C5 being shared with the insignia platform we'll get vauxhall's version of 'hydraulics'..maybe even on the next generation of C4? Anybody else spotted the BX inspired design flaw on the DS5?

P.S Anybosy got a spare interior green dot specific to sinkers? 'Small' problem with passenger seat...indentation in the foam in the bolster, it leaves the velor unsupported so theyll be a hole there soon. my dad seems to be the most likely suspect..

[citroenxm]

Got a complete sinker coming in Phil with mot still on it but a poor body.. might do it up but not decided yet.. just sold my last Sx dotty trim from an M reg sx that's going very soon...

[PhilGreaves]

hmm thanks for that..wil pass on if still around. As you know my beloved mother still ahsnt made up her mind what to do car wise. You probs got that impression after talking to her at the icccr? Could do with a Green SX sinker interior in you see one about/sinker petrol auto in a scrappy- let me know?

Anyway i think i've got to the bottom of the air ingression fault. Both Neil on the BX forum and 'citroenxm' here said fuel filter. Correct.

But the bit thats leaking isnt labeled on any diagrams so stand by whilst i try to upload my photo. (no its not the water drain off things its 90 degrees to the left facing the engine block....)



as the arrow indicates it actually flows out from the bottom of this 'circular thing'.

Please dont tell me that diesel is meant to come out of here! i'm getting rather bored of the extended starting sessions...

Thanks
Phil

[CitroJim]

That's the fuel heater thermostat Phil and a very common place for the filter housings to leak!

Basically, it's a device that allows the fuel to circulate a labyrinth in the thermostat housing to warm cold diesel.

The leak is caused by a duff O ring on the end of the white bit but as it's held in place with a star washer it's excruciatingly difficult to get it apart satisfactorily and effect a good repair.

Either swap the filter housing for a good 'un or remove yours and clean it up very thoroughly and cover the white bit and the surrounding area in Araldite for a temporary/getting on for permanent repair. The critical bit is to get all traces of diesel away or the Araldite won't stick properly.

[PhilGreaves]

thanks very much jim as always helpful bordering on saintly! I was going to ask for help changing the filter...

After to say whislt it may be common its difficult to see (due to pipes) and causes such difficulties especially in cold weather...anyway ill phone the garage and see how much to fix it.

Hate to be cheeky (but for added bonus points!!) How much should it cost? (down at the garage)

Many many thanks
Phil

[CitroJim]

Hate to be cheeky (but for added bonus points!!) How much should it cost? (down at the garage)

Pass I'm afraid Phil. I never use garages except for MOT tests...

Trouble is, a garage will want to replace it rather than play around with Araldite unless they're a traditional old-school place,,,

The filter is easy to remove. Slip off the top, remove element, drain, disconnect inlet pipe at bottom and then undo the 13mm bolt visible in the bottom and off it comes. There's a big O ring to seal the base of the filter to the thermostat housing...

[PhilGreaves]

He says he may have a good one in in stock which would be cheaper as its only a few bolts to swap them over. Could ask for a repair. But if he offers this cheap then may just take that. (in the past he's actually offered parts free)

He is "traditional old-school place" but when you are paying labour (and its alot) by the hour most of them time its more cost effective to go new rather than fix old ones. Unless parts arent available (see my bx airfilter housing!!). But ill mention it to him especially the seal business. He's going to get back to me within the hour anyway. Also, logically, i want the car back asap so again dont fancy waiting around to prat with glue.

Suppose i could be cheeky let him fit the new one and then prat on myself glueing the old one...he he. Then i'd have a back up in case the used second hand one goes in our artic conditions...

Thing is you see BX is sorn'd, dads audi is..well..aside from 22.8mpg runs rough so the xantia is the only car left so im loathed to fiddle with it myself coz if i screw up then my mum cant go to work i cant go anywhere my dad will chunter etc. God i wish she'd buy a new car...but then again why are all new cars crap?!

oh hydraulic leak is minor and coming from acumulator unit, havnet pin pointed this one exactly yet. Havent done anything to it other than go to malcolm lockwods and buy more lhm...And first to second gear is ridiculously stiff first thing in a morning....other than that..LOL..

How you doing jim?

many many thanks
Phil
PS heres hoping this solves the air ingression..athena willing (god of citroens!!)

[CitroJim]

How you doing jim?

Not too bad Phil, thanks! Have a look at my blog for the latest news

[PhilGreaves]

ermm blog.....righto...i'll find it..

Funny: getting cars up ramps. The BX got onto the lowloader on low when the engine wouldnt start by...............being dragged/winched The front didn't catch nor did the rear. In fact only damage was to a mudflap...I was thinking what the hell have i been worried about all these years? Mind theres less overhang on a bx ill admitt.

Tried to get the xantia's frontwheels on those car ramps other year..failed as i stalled it each time ...and when jims stopped laughing...

Have you considered a pit? Very useful i remember using one at a local coach operators. Just make sure you follow health and safety rules over them...

Have to admitt (hushed tones) i never liked xms before- didnt like that stylesed crease up the side. But people kept saying how great they were and then i saw this one (early V6 manual):


I'd never really had a good look at that 2nd glass tailgate window thingy either. But i just thought it was great! Who knows, maybe in ten years time ill be saing Series 1 C5s are really growing on me.....no step too far!

Hey jim would you like an Xm launch brochure thingy? Since now you're an xm fan..and have helped me out rather alot! You've got to collect these things now you own the car! <he says whilst cleaning his bx tie> Should be going to CCC national, northern etc next year..

i'll post up quoted price too when uit comes for other who have to use garages etc

Phil

[CitroJim]

I guess you've found my blog then Phil

XMs are fantastic Until you own one you just can't see what all the fuss is about but once you do... But beware, they're addictive!

That Champagne V6 is a well known to us XM aficionados... And if I'm not very much mistaken that's one of Matthew T's cars with him sitting in it...

I'd love an XM brochure Phil. I have a few Xantia ones here but no XM ones so yes please

I'd love a pit but it would have to be outdoors in my drive and therefore perhaps not a good plan! It would catch a lot of cats and kids I fear...

[citronut]

here is price and part No. for the main part of the filter housing without the lid

Part Number Description Quantity Price excl. VAT Price incl. VAT Total incl. VAT Selection
0000191141 FILTER BOWL 63.49 GBP 76.19 GBP 76.19 GBP