clunk on starting and another clunk on changing gear

[c.morewood]

OK you've won me over.. I'll be ordering one shortly.. Thanks for all your help.. I'll report back in a couple of weeks.
Chris

[c.morewood]

Well at last I got down to changing the engine mount which David suggested... sure enough the inside of the rubber was almost floating free inside the rubber mount. That certainly made a difference to the clunks at gearchange and startup Took about half an hour. I would have benefitted from having a smaller socket set as the 16mm socket I have was just too long by 3 or 4 mm meaning that it was difficult to get a real purchase on the bolt heads.
However there is another clunk as i suspected around the wheel area heard when coming to a complete stop brakes on. and when reversing out of the garage as the front o/s wheel hits the concrete lip on not quite full lock. I'm going to look at the droplinks again, they dont rattle when the car is in motion but it must be something in that area.
Thanks for your help again guys
Have a great New Year
Chris

[addo]

That won't be the droplinks; more likely the LCA bushes.

[CitroJim]

That won't be the droplinks; more likely the LCA bushes.

Most likely the 'P' bushes on the rear of the wishbones...

I had similar symptoms on Rattiva. This was what one of hers looked like:



The wishbone was fairly floating in the bush

[Chris570]

i have to say i didnt struggle to remove that wishbone

[c.morewood]

I was hoping that it woudnt be them again .. they're only a year old. Last time I had to replace them they were causing the a steering fault when I accelerated and decelerated the car would pull one way then the other.. a bit frightening. I'll be checking these out in the next couple of days.
I found a good video on how to replace them on you tube " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks again guys
Chris

[citroenxm]

Ive just changed a pair of these on a HDi 90.. and though the Off side (Drivers) side one had the anti roll bar in the way.. I fitted the replacments COMPLETE with the rear bush already on the arm, I got round it be pushing the droplink right up with a jack and the roll bar lifted up (as the rubber bush is also undone by now) out of the way to get the other arm in.

However, on the passenger side, I somehow mangaed to get the rear bush in without jacking the anti roll bar up... Im not sure if the bar has shifted towards the passenger side or not, it all looked even.. anyway.. did them both in about 2 hours..

Paul

[Chris570]

Ive just changed a pair of these on a HDi 90.. and though the Off side (Drivers) side one had the anti roll bar in the way.. I fitted the replacments COMPLETE with the rear bush already on the arm, I got round it be pushing the droplink right up with a jack and the roll bar lifted up (as the rubber bush is also undone by now) out of the way to get the other arm in.

However, on the passenger side, I somehow mangaed to get the rear bush in without jacking the anti roll bar up... Im not sure if the bar has shifted towards the passenger side or not, it all looked even.. anyway.. did them both in about 2 hours..

Paul

be grateful, I hate putting wishbones back on these cars. easy way to tell if the ARB was straight is to look at the HC linkage. I always get paranoid about moving the arb

[addo]

Easily sorted; wrap a loop of painter's blue or green tape on the bar, just outside of each clamp. There's enough articulation in the setup, that misalignment can be tolerated reasonably, anyhow.

[citroenxm]

Ah.. thats okay then, the Dog Bone looked straight enough, and it went up and down all okay...

Cheers
Paul

[c.morewood]

Sorted phew!!!
Took 4 hours to do one side.. the rearmost nut came half off and then would just not budge.. I spent hours trying one way and another to get it to move .. eventually gave up and gave it a bit of heat.. I was really wary because of the closeness of the roll bar rubber and where the heat was going... never like working with heat on the car.
Anyway that worked and we even managed to get the wishbone back into place without having to remove the anti roll bar.. it was very tight and requred moving the hub assembly forwards with my chest whilst easing the wishbone into position.. there's less that 1mm clearance i 'd guess.. the rest was fairly simple.
Now the other side was done by Citroen 6 months ago and I think its starting to clunk.. I should be able to get redone on guarantee hopefully..
Thanks for the helpful suggestions and advice,


Chris

[CitroJim]

Sorted phew!!!

Well done Chris It is a bit of a game isn't it! I find it almost a game of Tetris to get the ARB and hub/wishbone in just the right place to allow it to pop home.

As you've used heat on a Nyloc nut it would be a giood idea to replace it with a new one at some point as heat csan melt out the nylon insert and make it a non-Nyloc nut...

[c.morewood]

Already done Jim thanks.. I had a couple of spares in my "nut box" ready for the occasion.. off to see A C to see how good their warranties are!!

[c.morewood]

Just back from the Citroen Stealers....won't be going back there again.. I asked them to check the p bush as it had 3 or 4 mm play and I was starting to feel a change of direction when accelerating hard uphill and changing down going downhill. That would have taken 10 mins to say yes or no and 30 min to replace if thay found anythng wrong. They insisted that I had to have a 1 hr inspection costing £90 and that if they found the warrantied p bush was at fault I wouldn't have to pay anything.
So on the report.... spare tyre bald... it passed the mot and their previous inspection 6 months ago and hasn't been out of the cradle for 9 months!
Front spheres badly coroded.. they're 6 months old and still in pristine condition.
I told them that there was a clunk when "almost" at full lock as the car dropped over the 3-4cm lip of the garage. another p bush symptom .. I got the answer on the report , The steering makes a noise at full lock because of the spheres.. which it always has done "but I wasn't talking about full lock!!!"
Car does not rise and sink fully... it does if you wait for it... I haven't greased the doglegs for a year so she's a bit sticky but does eventually do what you ask.

And that was just about it.. no mention of the fault I put her in for. I shoud've forgotten about the warranty on a £12 part and done it myself!!
Oh and the projected bill..... £1600!! on a car thats worth maybe £700 at most?
a severely P+++D off and poor,
Chris

[Lighty]

Its still a problem finding repairers in Scotland then ?
When I used to do the scottish rallies years ago, there was always a mad rush for our sphere servicing, seems like specialists are still thin on the ground.
With the info you gain off here, you will have to fix it yourself, or travel to England to find a specialist