CX 2.1 ie. 1985. Starting after being stored for 8 years.

andmcit · Unread post by **andmcit** » 23 Jan 2011, 17:15

Rereading your Sunday's exploits a few further comments.

There won't really be 'pressure' under the brake pedal, Cx's brake pedal is
unlike many cars and there won't be much movement of feel even on a daily
use healthy car! When standing on it I'd expect to hear a hiss of pressure but
I suspect you don't ahve any pressure being fed from the hydraulic pump.
Steering when fully powered is something that cannot be mistaken for mere
"movement"!! The warning light will be on as there's NO PRESSURE!!

The top hose is opened by the themostat so the rad will be hot at the bottom
with cooler tem,p water feeding back into the engine from the bottom. There
may not so much a problem with the thermostat as air trapped that needs
bleeding from the 8mm bleed on the head and waterpump and the top of
the rad from the end nearest the driver's headlight.

Out of interest, with no RogerB, which CX Specialist are you passing the car
onto then?

Andrew

Unread post by **myglaren** » 23 Jan 2011, 17:19

I'm a bit confused about the mention of an LHM 'dipstick'
Did you mean the orange indicator in a small plastic dome.
I'm not familiar with the CX but I don't think there is any dipstick for LHM.

Could it be for the ATF?

andmcit · Unread post by **andmcit** » 23 Jan 2011, 17:22

You're totally right Steve, there isn't a dipstick but I did read that comment
as the float level which does sit on the reservoir top beside the nearside
strut sphere.

Andrew

Citroening · Unread post by **Citroening** » 23 Jan 2011, 17:24

andmcit wrote:Out of interest, with no RogerB, which CX Specialist are you passing the car onto then?

...that's what I was wondering too Andrew - aside from my dad, WHM and some others there aren't many at all.

myglaren wrote:I'm a bit confused about the mention of an LHM 'dipstick'
Did you mean the orange indicator in a small plastic dome.
I'm not familiar with the CX but I don't think there is any dipstick for LHM.

Could it be for the ATF?

I think that you're right there - as IIRC that's where the ATF dipstick is in the area where he describes.
...to properly check the LHM the car should be in high and one should look at the 'float' on top of the tank, and it should be between the two indicated lines.

Edit - slow typer!

andmcit · Unread post by **andmcit** » 23 Jan 2011, 17:29

Thing is, an ATF dipstick couldn't really be anything other than a gearbox
level check could it? It sits in the big chunky casting that lives at the top of
the gearbox and it's fluid would deifinitely smell a large bit different from LHM...

Andrew

Citroening · Unread post by **Citroening** » 23 Jan 2011, 17:40

andmcit wrote:Thing is, an ATF dipstick couldn't really be anything other than a gearbox
level check could it? It sits in the big chunky casting that lives at the top of
the gearbox and it's fluid would deifinitely smell a large bit different from LHM...

...yes, quite obvious to us as we are used to CXs, but maybe samjmann isn't used to them because it is his wife's first husband's CX and not his.

samjmann wrote:LHM level which I took to be the small dipstick near the nearside sphere.

...the "nearside sphere" might have been confused with the accumulator as they do sit very prominently on a CX auto.
Not mine, but a bad pic here.

Unread post by **myglaren** » 23 Jan 2011, 18:02

Citroening wrote:
andmcit wrote:Out of interest, with no RogerB, which CX Specialist are you passing the car onto then?
...that's what I was wondering too Andrew - aside from my dad, WHM and some others there aren't many at all.

I presumed your dad, Franklin.

Citroening · Unread post by **Citroening** » 23 Jan 2011, 18:15

myglaren wrote:I presumed your dad, Franklin.

...well he certainly hasn't mentioned anything about a CX 25 Pallas IE, so must be someone else.

SwissSPEC · Unread post by **SwissSPEC** » 23 Jan 2011, 19:01

If priming the pump doesn't work to get the suspension up, could it be the accumulator sphere is dead? or sticking height correctors?

andmcit · Unread post by **andmcit** » 23 Jan 2011, 19:18

With a flat accumulator sphere the car would still lift; just the pump would be running constantly to provide the pressure the system needs. I have
never seen a height corrector on a Cx cause problems due in a large part
to a simpler arrangement of ARB attachment. For a minute I even had to
recall where the Hell it lives at the front...

Andrew

SwissSPEC · Unread post by **SwissSPEC** » 23 Jan 2011, 19:25

Aha, what about if all the spheres were flat as pancakes, how long would it take for the pump to get the pressure sufficiently high to get it to rise? Could the pump be tired, & therefore it might not be able to create enough pressure?

What i'm also thinking is, was the car deliberately left in the low position? If it was, perhaps the accumulator bleed screw was also bled & left open, hence why the car currently isn't going up?

andmcit · Unread post by **andmcit** » 23 Jan 2011, 19:34

An open bleed screw and the car simply won't lift EVER for sure. Even if
every sphere was flat, the pump would pressurise the circuit and the car
would lift though. It'd need more LHM to replace the missing pocket of
nitrogen and be a bast*rd swine from Hell to drive but it'd have steering
and brakes and ride height.

Andrew

CGATCX25GTITURBO · Unread post by **CGATCX25GTITURBO** » 23 Jan 2011, 19:59

CX's will lift easy with flat spheres 'or ones I have known have'

Cases I have known where the car wouldn't lift..
The the pressure regulator has been faulty or....
The ball bearing has been lost and the bolt been put back without or
a flat has been ground in the bearing and it doesn't seat properly.

from memory the ball dia 7mm?

The only car I had to prime a pump on was a 17TZD BX but they are similar set ups

davetherave · Unread post by **davetherave** » 23 Jan 2011, 20:14

This makes me want to find out if either of my piles of rust/cx's will start!

samjmann · Unread post by **samjmann** » 23 Jan 2011, 20:36

Hi chaps,

My knowledge of CX is elementary. The specialist it's going to is Wolsey House Motors, It sounds as if most CX people know each other!

I'll take a look at the bleed screw as in the photo next week.

My current car is a C5 110bhp VTR estate 2003. Contary to what all my friends said when I bought it, It has been reliable. ( My first Citroen).

I reckon non-mainstream cars have a way of getting under our skin. I had a '79 Alfasud 1.5 super from new, I've never had a car that I loved and sometimes hated so much. I had the car for 7 years, 80k miles on the original clutch and battery. No electric problems full stop. The body work, well thats another story!

Citroens seem to have the same appeal.

Thanks again for all your support, I'll keep you posted!

samjmann.

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CX 2.1 ie. 1985. Starting after being stored for 8 years.

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