Citroen C6, am i missing somthing ?

Unread post by **Peter.N.** » 08 Jun 2006, 22:34

The Xantia is underpowered with the 1.9 td but the 2.1 td..... well just try one. The 2.1 is a brilliant engine, quieter and more efficient then the 1.9

Stempy · Unread post by **Stempy** » 09 Jun 2006, 06:31

Diesels are great for taxis but give me a petrol engine any time, the bigger the better.

When F1 goes diesel then I might reconsider

Kowalski · Unread post by **Kowalski** » 09 Jun 2006, 11:11

Compare like with like, normally aspirated petrol with normally aspirated diesel, turbo petrol and turbo diesel. If fuel economy isn't an issue, turbo petrol is the way to go, since most of us have to pay for our own fuel, a big turbo petrol just isn't an option.

Saab and Volvo were doing turbo petrol engines with impressive low down torque, the Saab 2.3 Turbos put out as much torque as any 4 cylinder diesel and they did it 15 years ago.

Mandrake · Unread post by **Mandrake** » 09 Jun 2006, 11:49

Kowalski wrote:Compare like with like, normally aspirated petrol with normally aspirated diesel, turbo petrol and turbo diesel. If fuel economy isn't an issue, turbo petrol is the way to go, since most of us have to pay for our own fuel, a big turbo petrol just isn't an option.

Saab and Volvo were doing turbo petrol engines with impressive low down torque, the Saab 2.3 Turbos put out as much torque as any 4 cylinder diesel and they did it 15 years ago.

Not to mention the 2.5 litre 4 cylinder CX turbos of the 80's which by all accounts have wonderful low down and midrange torque...

Regards,
Simon

jeremy · Unread post by **jeremy** » 09 Jun 2006, 13:59

1989 CX DTR Turbo 2- 120 BHP @ 3900
188 lb ft torque @ 2000 RPM

Source Glass technical Service data - so reliable that it describes BX DTR Turbo as having vacuum servo brakes!

NiSk · Unread post by **NiSk** » 09 Jun 2006, 20:26

Stempy,

Watch LeMans this year (next weekend, 17-18th June).

AUDI är going to win it with a DIESEL.

And I mean the BIG class.

//NiSk

Mandrake · Unread post by **Mandrake** » 09 Jun 2006, 21:50

jeremy wrote:1989 CX DTR Turbo 2- 120 BHP @ 3900
188 lb ft torque @ 2000 RPM

Source Glass technical Service data - so reliable that it describes BX DTR Turbo as having vacuum servo brakes!

Heh,

That data is completely wrong

Even the plain fuel injected 2500 is 138bhp.

The series 1 CX turbo (no intercooler) is 168bhp, and 217 lb ft. I don't recall at what revs the peak torque occurs at but I think it was around 2500, but with something like 90% of it still available at 2000. I'm sure Shane will chip in with the actual figures

Depending on who you believe, the later intercooler models are reputed to have quite a bit more power too.

Regards,
Simon

Stempy · Unread post by **Stempy** » 09 Jun 2006, 22:27

NiSk wrote:Stempy,

Watch LeMans this year (next weekend, 17-18th June).

AUDI är going to win it with a DIESEL.

And I mean the BIG class.

//NiSk

Ahh, but just think of the awful noise it will make

NiSk · Unread post by **NiSk** » 09 Jun 2006, 22:35

Quote from Shell, who supplied the following news item concerning the 12-hour Sebring race at:

http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?sit ... _race.html

Notice the following line . . .
"In addition to its outstanding pace, the car was also noted by the sun-kissed Sebring crowd for its unusual engine note. As the other cars deafened spectators lap after lap, the Audi R10 TDI, while among the fastest, was noticeably quieter than the competition thanks to its diesel engine."

//NiSk

Stempy · Unread post by **Stempy** » 09 Jun 2006, 23:49

So tell me truthfully that you prefer the sound of a 1.9TD Xantia over a V6, or that a bus sounds better than a Dodge Viper

jeremy · Unread post by **jeremy** » 10 Jun 2006, 07:07

Nothing beats the wonderful chorus of a cold XUD engine outside your bedroom window at 5am. None of this sweet quiet sooth purr - its just not the same!

Simon - The CX DTR Turbo 2 should not be filled at the same pump as a CX Turbo producing 168 BHP and 217 lb ft torque

f00lzz · Unread post by **f00lzz** » 10 Jun 2006, 08:03

jeremy wrote:Nothing beats the wonderful chorus of a cold XUD engine outside your bedroom window at 5am.

I did that recently (it was really early everyone in bed etc) with the bonnet up because I was topping up the washer bottle..... I thought there was something wrong with it and rushed to switch off.... only realising when I was inside the car that it was it's 'normal' sound...

AndersDK · Unread post by **AndersDK** » 10 Jun 2006, 13:35

jeremy wrote:Nothing beats the wonderful chorus of a cold XUD engine outside your bedroom window at 5am.

How about at 4:10AM each other week - caning it a bit to get some warm air on the defroster

mezuk04 · Unread post by **mezuk04** » 12 Jun 2006, 09:35

In agreement, there's just something quite comforting listening to a cold XUD

Ian Fearn · Unread post by **Ian Fearn** » 12 Jun 2006, 16:24

I've just turned over to the dark side and bought a BX TZD turbo 8)