HDi 90 Clutch slippage

ActivaV6uk · Unread post by **ActivaV6uk** » 16 May 2005, 16:48

fitting clutches isnt fun but its not impossible, you will need a very good set of ramps (your going ot be inder the car for a couple of hours), gearbox oil, a set of alenkeys and about 1 day on your hands. you will need to take the pas side drive shaft out, then unbolt the gearbox. then you should beable to see the cluch throught the gap between the box and the engine, unbolt it in the space you have and git the new one bolt it all back together, engage and regit the driveshafts and then fill the transmission back up and your done.
Now if you can do it in a day your doing well so that may sound easy and if the enigne is out of the car it is, in the car is a nightmare and not somehting i would want to do when i have a mecanic to hand who does work for me for £80 a day and i know he can do one in around 1/2 of a day

Andy

simonelsey · Unread post by **simonelsey** » 16 May 2005, 17:44

I was qouted by a garage for 5 hours labour , he said its a pig of a job, on these. Luck would have it , that a week after asking for qoute it stopped slipping and all is ok. Had the drop into 3rd gear problem and whatch the revs go up , for no increase in speed had to nurse the car in 3rd gear all other gears ok (apart from slight slip in 5th). Im so happy it cured itself.
PS now on 82000 miles

fastandfurryous · Unread post by **fastandfurryous** » 16 May 2005, 17:58

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I just recently did a clutch and a cambelt on a Pug 309. Did it in a day, by removing the engine and box complete (bit of a faff) Doing the work (dead easy with the rest of the car not in the way) and putting it all back in (agan, a faff).
If you have other work to do on the engine at the same time, then a complete engine&gearbox out in one go does make all the subsequent work a whole load easier. Cambelt goes from 4 hours to 20 minutes! Clutch goes from 5 hours to 30 minutes. The saving of 8 hours on these 2 jobs is far more than the time taken to get engine and box out and back in.
In the middle of doing a clutch on a 1972 VW beetle at the mo. Pain in the backside, as the engine HAS to come out. Straightforward, but access is a pain.
David.

rossd · Unread post by **rossd** » 16 May 2005, 22:07

I changed the clutch on my old 306 DTurbo, so I know what I'm letting myself in for. The box had to come out on the one though and thats the hard bit. Luckily I had a few mates over and a trolley jack and engine hoist to move the gearbox around the subframe. Even harder though was lining up the gearbox and putting it back together, it wouldnt just slide on, but eventually it did! I'm hoping the HDi will be slightly easier in this respect, as it does not have a pull-type clutch.

drpau · Unread post by **drpau** » 17 May 2005, 01:56

bl00dy hell, sounds quite involved! I'd love to have a go and Im sure if you take your time and do everything slowly and precisely there would be no worries, but ive got no balls to do it myself!! Plus no time either! Looks like Ill have to be moving my little box of tricks down a setting which is a shame, it slips in 3rd 4th and 5th if you give it full throttle once your in the peak torque zone [:(]

rossd · Unread post by **rossd** » 17 May 2005, 02:13

Well I'll let you know how it goes, but I dont have time for at least two weeks to change the clutch, so I'll just have to stick a brick under the accelerator pedal for the time being!

Unread post by **Jon** » 17 May 2005, 02:29

It could be worth looking for a BE4R xox, the big one with the smooth casing fitted to later HDI's (My Blingo has one). Stronger box, bigger clutch and still cable actuated.

rossd · Unread post by **rossd** » 17 May 2005, 12:59

Cheers Jon, thats good to know, will bear it in mind.

easterroad · Unread post by **easterroad** » 17 May 2005, 14:39

Hello, I am picking up a HDI 90 Xantia ( 2000 Xreg ) on Friday, will that have the BE3 clutch?
Just a little confused after reading this thread....

rossd · Unread post by **rossd** » 17 May 2005, 18:30

BE3 is the gearbox type not the clutch! The clutch will either be cable or hydraulic. The car could even have a ML5 type gearbox

easterroad · Unread post by **easterroad** » 17 May 2005, 18:45

hmm so my confusion was in fact total....
I will ask the dealer when i pick it up, cheers anyway!

ActivaV6uk · Unread post by **ActivaV6uk** » 17 May 2005, 19:06

A hdi 90 will be a Be3 box with a Cable driven clutch, the hdi 110 has the ML5t box which uses a bigger clutch and its activated hydraulicly.
so if you tune the car with a chip you will have the same problems as the people on theis thread long turm.
hope this helps.
Andy

Unread post by **RichardW** » 17 May 2005, 21:19

Hmm, my mate's got a 306 HDi he's had remapped. It has already done 135k or so, but it's a 2000 car, so plenty of m-way miles and probably on the original clutch. I wonder how long before I get a call asking if I want to help him drop the 'box out....????

ActivaV6uk · Unread post by **ActivaV6uk** » 17 May 2005, 21:27

I have to say this tread is putting me off fitting the tuning box to my 2.1 what if that starts doing it! that will be a pig as the activa sytems make like much harder because of the extra spheres!

rossd · Unread post by **rossd** » 18 May 2005, 01:43

Honestly I think its because my clutch is worn and not because it cant handle it. I have spoken with people running much more power than me on the standard clutch and its fine. I also spoke to the techies at my local dealer who reckon a new OE clutch will be up to the job, there reasoning being if they were that marginal they would see a lot more 306's with clutch problems chipped or not (eg those used for towing). I was running lots of power on my old 306 which had a smaller clutch and that handled it absolutely fine too, even at over 100K miles [:)]