Facelift Xantia questions

Fox · Unread post by **Fox** » 13 May 2003, 03:34

Getting to that stage where I'm considernig a newer car in the next 6 months or so. The only snag is that I adore my Xantia and don't really want to part company with it, but I do want air conditioning, a newer car, etc.
So, I've been considering going for a 98 Facelift model on an R or an S plate, from auction. I'd want a 1.9TD SX again (The 1.9TD Exclusive seems to be an Auto

), but I've a few questions.
a) Does anyone know what equipment a 98 Facelift SX has fitted in addition to what my 94 SX has?
b) Are there any huge problems with the Facelift cars I should be aware about?
c) What am I going to be looking at having to pay for one in good condition at auction? Mileage is of no concern to me. I do low mileage, and my 152k Xant is sound

d) Anything else I should know, or any interesting sources of information regarding these cars?
e) Does it have an ECU?
Thanks

nick · Unread post by **nick** » 13 May 2003, 05:21

I've got a 84k PDF file of the Xantia brochure from 2000, which I downloaded from the Citroen UK website at the time, if your interested ?
It won't cover the 1.9TD though, it had been replaced by the HDi for a while by that stage, but it does detail the later SX equipment.
Nick

Fox · Unread post by **Fox** » 13 May 2003, 05:43

Yes that would be very useful, thankyou

If you could email it to [email protected] I would be most grateful.
One thing I note is that the Xantia II has a service level indicator. As I DIY service my current Xantia, is it possible to manually reset these?

wheeler · Unread post by **wheeler** » 13 May 2003, 06:31

to reset the service indicator just hold in the trip meter reset buton & switch on the ignition,the display will then count down from 10,when it gets to 0 release the button & switch the ign off then back on again,counter reset

mbunting · Unread post by **mbunting** » 13 May 2003, 18:19

Fox,
I have a 94L and my dad used to have a 96 N reg, both TDSX.
From what I can remember, the following are different:
He had aircon.
He also had ( I think ) an EGR valve.
Therefore, he would also have had an ECU.
A drivers airbag was fitted.
Anti-Sink spheres were also fitted.
That's all I can remember.
Mat.

Fox · Unread post by **Fox** » 13 May 2003, 19:30

Sorry I should have been clearer in my original post.
When I mean facelift I mean the Xantia II launched in 1998 which continued until the C5, rather than the facelift that happened around aboutt 1994 where the badge moved to the grille, the airbag appeared, as did the anti-sink etc. My Current Xant is one of those

Interesting about the ECU thouhg. Would I be correct in thinking a car with an ECU is more economical than one with a mechnical injection system? Or am I wrong? Wouldnt be the first time

Also does anyone know the wheel size on the 2nd Gen Xantias? Is it still 14, ie can I use my current aftermarket alloys?

mbunting · Unread post by **mbunting** » 13 May 2003, 22:15

You would have thought so, but the ECU in this case was mainly to control emissions, essentially the EGR which chucks exhaust fumes back into the air intake to be re-burned.
What effect does a clogged air filter have on the performance of a car ? EGR is very similar because it effectively reduces the amount of oxygen in the intake.
Modern TD's have this, but you don't really notice it because they're much more efficient at extracting power per litre of fuel and air anyway !

blueboy2001 · Unread post by **blueboy2001** » 13 May 2003, 23:26

The Xantia II had a wider track and was fitted with 15" wheels and 195/55/15 tyres. These have the same circumference as the 185/65/14's on the earlier model so you could change them if you really wanted to.

JohnD · Unread post by **JohnD** » 14 May 2003, 00:35

Having EGR gives you slightly less power/slightly less mpg. The earlier 1.9TD had a top speed of 112, 30 to 50 took 9.7secs and test mpg was 37.8. The Gov't MPG was 43.1 By 1998 the 1.9TD had a top speed of 110, 30 to 50 took 10.3 secs and had a test mpg of 38.1. The Gov't mpg was 40.9. On the facelift model passenger airbag was standard. At different times, the SX sometimes had alloy wheels, at others just steel.

Fox · Unread post by **Fox** » 14 May 2003, 00:57

112bhp? I thought all the 1.9TD's had 92bhp?

JohnD · Unread post by **JohnD** » 14 May 2003, 01:39

Of course! you're right - it's the 2.1 that has 110. I also quoted top speeds as BHP. Sorry!

mbunting · Unread post by **mbunting** » 14 May 2003, 01:50

I think we're talking the difference between the 90ish hp 1.9 and the 2.1 here.
Mat.

surfer · Unread post by **surfer** » 14 May 2003, 18:57

A clogged air filter has a detrimental effect on the performance of your car because it is providing a blockage to the air inlet path of your engine. Under load, you are strangling it because with so many of the tiny holes in the filter paper blocked, air flow rates are reduced.
EGR does mean that not so much pure air is fed to the engine but neither does it provide any extra resistance to flows; you are simply returning a proportion of exhaust gasses back into the inlet.
This reduces emissions because partially combusted or unburnt hydrocarbons in the exhaust gas are fully combusted in their return trip through the engine. Which is nice.
simon.

Dave Burns · Unread post by **Dave Burns** » 15 May 2003, 02:35

The reason for Exhaust Gas Recirculation is to reduce Nox, nitrogen oxides.
At temperatures above 2500 F, oxygen and atmospheric nitrogen can combine to produce Nox.
The introduction of a small amount of inert gas into the intake process reduces the combustion temperature preventing the formation of polluting nitrogen oxides.
Dave

mark_sp · Unread post by **mark_sp** » 15 May 2003, 03:10

Fox
I've looked at these models over the last few months prior to buying my xantia which is a 'facelift' on an 'R' plate but not the revised model you want. However a couple of things come to mind:
around 'S' and 'T' it looks hit and miss on some of the spec, some of the cars I looked at had a 3 point center rear belt and some didn't. Similarly some had passenger air-bags and CD players and others didn't although they were all supposedly the same LX or SX spec.
I believe a selling point on the revised model is also improved side impact protection, I'll take their word for that one.
The disadvantage with the [part] managed engine and EGR is that underbonnet everything becomes less accessible and maybe a bit more fragile.
If want more info on the SX spec of my car let me know and I'll have a read of the hand-book etc.
Mark_sp