Suspension sinks on Sundays! C5 X7 that works hard + 206 GTi HDi (and 406 Coupe and 306 HDi). - MattBLancs

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Rp0thejester wrote: 18 Jul 2026, 23:00 Tow bars always worries me, it tends to mean the engine has been under a lot of strain already. I'd rather stay clear.
Double edged sword isn't it - can be anything from regularly dragging a big caravan / a car carrying trailer, close to the car's rated capacity, behind it down to a little toy "hobby" trailer like mine: 45 kg empty, filled with say camping gear it still might weigh less than all 5 seats occupied. Or indeed bike racks - I understand some electrical cars for example can have "towbars" that are only actually rated for use mounting bike racks!

There's also the case, given the age of the cars I'm considering, that first owner had the towbar added and subsequent owner(s) have never used it during their ownership.

Double edged as you can see from this blog I'd almost certainly get good use out of another towbar equipped car :)

Folks also can be quite variable in how kind they are to their clutches (and the car generally!) so how long clutches last has a broad range!
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MattBLancs wrote: 19 Jul 2026, 19:17
Folks also can be quite variable in how kind they are to their clutches (and the car generally!) so how long clutches last has a broad range!
Never a truer word has been written. Back in the day I bought my wife a brand new Skoda Estelle and myself a 2 year old Estelle with 14000 miles on the clock. In the next three years her car needed two clutch replacements while mine needed none. At the end of those years I sold both cars, hers being 3 years old with 17000 miles and mine being 5 years old with 74000 miles!! Draw your own conclusions!! :-D
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Hello readers!

Opinions please on this long winded MOT history and my thoughts that follow:

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MOT valid until 15 February 2027

MOT history

Date tested 16 February 2026 PASS
Mileage 196,452 miles Expiry date 15 February 2027

Repair as soon as possible (minor defects):
Nearside Registration plate lamp inoperative in the case of multiple lamps or light sources (4.7.1 (b) (i))
Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
Front Brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened N/S & O/S (1.1.14 (a) (ii))


22 January 2025 PASS
Mileage 193,230 miles Expiry date 1 February 2026

Repair as soon as possible (minor defects):
Nearside Registration plate lamp inoperative in the case of multiple lamps or light sources (4.7.1 (b) (i))
Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
Offside Front Anti-roll bar linkage ball joint has slight play (5.3.4 (a) (i))
Offside Front Suspension arm pin or bush worn but not resulting in excessive movement lower arm inner bush (5.3.4 (a) (i))
Nearside Rear Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge on limit 1.6mm (5.2.3 (e))
Offside Rear Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge (5.2.3 (e))
Rear Coil spring corroded n/s&o/s (5.3.1 (b) (i))
Front Service brake fluctuating, but not excessively n/s&o/s (1.2.1 (e))


22 January 2025 FAIL
Mileage 193,230 miles

Repair immediately (major defects):
Exhaust emissions exceed manufacturer's specified limit (8.2.2.2 (a))
Registration plate lamp inoperative in the case of a single lamp or all lamps (4.7.1 (b) (ii))
Repair as soon as possible (minor defects):
Nearside Registration plate lamp inoperative in the case of multiple lamps or light sources (4.7.1 (b) (i))
Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
Offside Front Anti-roll bar linkage ball joint has slight play (5.3.4 (a) (i))
Offside Front Suspension arm pin or bush worn but not resulting in excessive movement lower arm inner bush (5.3.4 (a) (i))
Nearside Rear Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge on limit 1.6mm (5.2.3 (e))
Offside Rear Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge (5.2.3 (e))
Rear Coil spring corroded n/s&o/s (5.3.1 (b) (i))
Front Service brake fluctuating, but not excessively n/s&o/s (1.2.1 (e))


29 January 2024 PASS
Mileage 188,042 miles Expiry date 1 February 2025

Repair as soon as possible (minor defects):
Nearside Registration plate lamp inoperative in the case of multiple lamps or light sources (4.7.1 (b) (i))
Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
Offside Front Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge on limit 1.6mm (5.2.3 (e))
Nearside Front Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge (5.2.3 (e))
Rear Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge n/s&o/s (5.2.3 (e))


29 January 2024 FAIL
Mileage 188,042 miles

Repair immediately (major defects):
Offside Front Coil spring fractured or broken (5.3.1 (b) (i))
Repair as soon as possible (minor defects):
Nearside Registration plate lamp inoperative in the case of multiple lamps or light sources (4.7.1 (b) (i))
Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
Offside Front Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge on limit 1.6mm (5.2.3 (e))
Nearside Front Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge (5.2.3 (e))
Rear Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge n/s&o/s (5.2.3 (e))


23 January 2023 PASS
Mileage 178,971 miles Expiry date 1 February 2024

Repair as soon as possible (minor defects):
Nearside Registration plate lamp inoperative in the case of multiple lamps or light sources (4.7.1 (b) (i))
Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
Offside Front Wheel bearing slightly noisy (5.1.3 (b) (i))


Date tested 2 February 2022 PASS
Mileage 172,034 miles Expiry date 1 February 2023


Date tested 24 November 2021 FAIL
Mileage 172,010 miles

Repair immediately (major defects):
Parking brake efficiency below requirements (1.4.2 (a) (i))
Repair as soon as possible (minor defects):
Registration plate lamp inoperative in the case of multiple lamps or light sources (4.7.1 (b) (i))


Date tested 14 October 2020 PASS
Mileage 165,308 miles Expiry date 13 October 2021

Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
Nearside Rear Brake cable damaged but not to excess (1.1.15 (a))
Offside Rear Brake cable damaged but not to excess (1.1.15 (a))
Nearside Front Anti-roll bar linkage pin or bush worn but not resulting in excessive movement (5.3.4 (a) (i))


Date tested 14 October 2020 FAIL
Mileage 165,286 miles

Do not drive until repaired (dangerous defects):
Offside Rear Tyre has ply or cords exposed (5.2.3 (d) (ii))
Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
Nearside Rear Brake cable damaged but not to excess (1.1.15 (a))
Offside Rear Brake cable damaged but not to excess (1.1.15 (a))
Nearside Front Anti-roll bar linkage pin or bush worn but not resulting in excessive movement (5.3.4 (a) (i))


Date tested 12 April 2019 PASS
Mileage 157,473 miles Expiry date11 October 2020

Repair as soon as possible (minor defects):
Nearside Registration plate lamp inoperative in the case of multiple lamps or light sources (4.7.1 (b) (i))

Date tested 19 March 2018 PASS
Mileage 149,959 miles Expiry date 19 March 2019

Date tested 9 March 2017 PASS
Mileage 137,177 miles Expiry date 19 March 2018

Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Front Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Offside Front Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Nearside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Offside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)


Date tested 9 March 2017 FAIL
Mileage 137,177 miles

Reason(s) for failure
Offside Rear Registration plate lamp not working (1.1.C.1d)
Front registration plate faded (6.3.1d)
Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Front Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Offside Front Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Nearside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Offside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Nearside Rear Anti-roll bar has slight play in a pin/bush (2.4.G.2)
Offside Rear Anti-roll bar has slight play in a pin/bush (2.4.G.2)


Date tested 9 March 2016 PASS
Mileage 99,106 miles Expiry date 19 March 2017

Date tested 9 March 2016 FAIL
Mileage 99,106 miles

Reason(s) for failure
Nearside Registration plate lamp not working (1.1.C.1d)
Short version is I'm feeling "disenfranchised" with the thought of ploughing a load of money into a more valuable ** car.

** Read "more valuable" as 4-5 grand.

Instead I'm wondering about a cheap £1000 example that ticks some of the boxes, keeps me away from Adblue issues for the moment. I'll keep a watching brief on Manchester ULEZ plans and get something reasonably economical, with lots of space.

Enter stage right:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-detail ... 6flrfc%3D1

£1000, 200k miles. Generally looks in good condition, other than a worn gear knob.

The above MOT history to my eyes looks initially frightening but also seems to show a car that is "chucked in for the test, as is" but then fixed and off to give another years service. Save for a persistent offside numberplate bulb, almost none of the faults / advisories return the following years.

200k likelihood of: original clutch, DMF, timing belt, DPF???? I would guess most if not all have been replaced once if not more.

Other info: road tax £170, boring black, EURO 5, no towbar. Think has the glass roof. Allure spec. Sat Nav.
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Not into great detailed descriptions at the moment but from reading that MOT history I'd describe it as unloved and wouldn't buy it!! :)
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A cheap fill in until your situation is sorted? :)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/366528016871
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mickthemaverick wrote: Yesterday, 16:45 Not into great detailed descriptions at the moment but from reading that MOT history I'd describe it as unloved and wouldn't buy it!! :)
I've had a dig into that particular example's seller (and the reviews of the business are very, err, variable!!) - at present that aspect is the big fly in the ointment for me (particularly when it's a couple of hours away from home)

Agree it could be neglected, but also think some folks do a sort of "see what it needs" approach to the test. To me, checking tyres and bulbs ahead of the test is a no brainer 10 minute check "why wouldn't you" but I've also seen many car MOT history logs with these basic faults present when presented for test! Odd, isn't it! :?:

Thanks Mick for the 307 suggestion, something to consider. I suspect I might jump up to say:
£1700 and up the economy + towbar + (a bit!) newer this one:
https://ebay.io/m/FYgT87
(2012 308 SW 2.0 HDi, Allure) 55 miles / 1 hour from home.

The 307 is a bit further to travel: again towards Birmingham and 92 miles / 1.5 hours from home
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Am I seeing things or has someone repainted the alloys and then kerbed it?
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Rp0thejester wrote: Yesterday, 17:55 Am I seeing things or has someone repainted the alloys and then kerbed it?
Yes, they aren't in great condition - looks almost like grey primer. The same alloys were fitted to my wife's 308 SW (Which is near identical spec and 1 year older) they were diamond turned from new and so will have been horrible oxidised mess pre grey paint job.

Looking like these:
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I.e. a mess! :rofl2:
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That was pretty much the state of the wheels on our C4 before we had them done - they look OK in plain silver, and local place here did them for £240. Mrs W since discovered they do lots of other colours, and is a bit miffed they are not metallic pink or something :rofl2:
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Diamond cut wheels look good in the car showroom but in a year or so of use they are horrible with corrosion. On the Cactus I cleaned one up and sprayed it with lacquer but that peeled off in time so really needed a professional job but not worth the expense as it may not last. Bring back plastic wheel trims with tie wraps or stainless steel as on our 1988 Saab 900.
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PaulC5 wrote: Today, 13:24 Diamond cut wheels look good in the car showroom but in a year or so of use they are horrible with corrosion. On the Cactus I cleaned one up and sprayed it with lacquer but that peeled off in time so really needed a professional job but not worth the expense as it may not last. Bring back plastic wheel trims with tie wraps or stainless steel as on our 1988 Saab 900.
Yes the big problem is a polished / diamond turned aluminium surface is very difficult for any sort of lacquer to adhere to. Hence the weather readily gets under and corrosion tracks under the lacquer.

"Old fashioned" silver painted alloy wheels get my vote :)