Peugeot 308 2.0 hdi - ABS and ESP Faults

[codename47]

Hi Everyone,
I am new to this forum so pardon my mistakes If I do.
I have a 2014 Peugeot 308 2.0 hdi.
Background: It has been to one of the garages here when it had non-start issue. The garage replaced some fuse box (god know which one) and the car worked for a week and then came back on a flat bed.
I got the starter motor replaced and they still couldn't get the car started. I got the car delivered to my address, replaced the fuse and wallah! the car started.

After that I saw ABS and ESP fault constantly on after the car came from that dodgy garage who replaced some fuse box. I tried replacing all four abs wheel sensors , Rear rotors ( they were in pretty bad shape anyways). Still the ABS and ESP fault remained.
Scanned the system and following codes appeared:

Code: Select all

C1385
C1381
U1309
U1308
U1108
U1318

So I checked all wiring to see if anything is broken but couldn't see a problem.
Brakes worked but the sign came back after few minutes after I deleted it.
So went to my mechanic and asked him to replace the ABS pump ( I thought could be legit issue with pump )
Now the pump has been replaced, I have no brakes and ABS /ESP lights on and following codes:

FaultCode_308_ABS_ESP

I am not sure if this won't work until its programmed?
Any help will be greatly appreciated

[ozfrog]

Hi Everyone,
I am new to this forum so pardon my mistakes If I do.

Welcome aboard, fellow Aussie!

Background: It has been to one of the garages here when it had non-start issue. The garage replaced some fuse box

A dealer? (Which one?)
A French car specialist? (Which one?)
A Peugeot specialist? (Which one?)
A random mechanic? (I don’t want to know!)

And he replaced the complete fuse box? How much did that cost you?

I got the starter motor replaced and they still couldn't get the car started.

I've heard a story like this before.

I got the car delivered to my address, replaced the fuse and wallah! the car started.

Do you know/remember exactly what fuse you replaced?

After that I saw ABS and ESP fault constantly on after the car came from that dodgy garage who replaced some fuse box. I tried replacing all four abs wheel sensors , Rear rotors ( they were in pretty bad shape anyways). Still the ABS and ESP fault remained.

I don't mean to sound dumb, but what's your battery like?

So I checked all wiring to see if anything is broken but couldn't see a problem.
Brakes worked but the sign came back after few minutes after I deleted it.
So went to my mechanic and asked him to replace the ABS pump ( I thought could be legit issue with pump )

I'm getting confused with the different mechanics, sorry.

Now the pump has been replaced, I have no brakes and ABS /ESP lights on and following codes:

I am not sure if this won't work until its programmed?

I'm not touching this part (yet).

Any help will be greatly appreciated

You're sure to get some. Even better than what I've offered you.

A lot of my comments are based on my experience with my wife's 2011 model 3008. And not a few with my experience with my 307.

[PaulC5]

We had a 2008 C4 that needed a new abs pump and that had to be programmed to the car.
When it has been replaced the brakes need bleeding using a diagnostic to get the air out of the pump since just pumping the pedal or pressure/vacuum bleeding is not good enough.

Check voltage of the battery since if low it could give false ESP warnings. Before the first start of the day if fully charged it should be about 12.7 volts but if below around 12.5 volts it needs charging up.

[codename47]

Welcome aboard, fellow Aussie!

Thanks mate , great to see fellow aussie too

A dealer? (Which one?)

Mate had my car and when it broke down he took it to somewhere in Berwick .

A French car specialist? (Which one?)

I don't think so , they were clueless

A Peugeot specialist? (Which one?)

Definitely not ! they couldn't even start the car

A random mechanic? (I don’t want to know!)
And he replaced the complete fuse box? How much did that cost you?

He charged him $1000 for Fuse box replacement.I think they replaced the one that has relays and fuses and some glued section underneath.

I got the starter motor replaced and they still couldn't get the car started.

I've heard a story like this before.
Yes so the car came back to them after a week. the fuse box was probably not an issue, it was starter motor.

Do you know/remember exactly what fuse you replaced?

Starter motor has a 20amp fuse that was blown. I replaced and car started (after starter was replaced). Poor diagnosis by the mechanic for sure.

I don't mean to sound dumb, but what's your battery like?

Battery is good, checked the voltage it was steady over 12.7V

I'm getting confused with the different mechanics, sorry.

Mechanic number 2 - I know him, he replaced timing chain on my other car and he gets stuff done. He got the Auto Elec to check the codes and said yeah definitely pump.

I actually found a video that had similar issue. I am not sue if the model that I have has a separate ElectroValve relay i.e C1385 code. I might go check if the relay is faulty.
This video :

[codename47]

We had a 2008 C4 that needed a new abs pump and that had to be programmed to the car.
When it has been replaced the brakes need bleeding using a diagnostic to get the air out of the pump since just pumping the pedal or pressure/vacuum bleeding is not good enough.

Check voltage of the battery since if low it could give false ESP warnings. Before the first start of the day if fully charged it should be about 12.7 volts but if below around 12.5 volts it needs charging up.

Hi mate,
thank you for your reply.
Do you know what errors did you get when you had to replace the pump?
I understand it needs programming and yes I can run the ABS pump bleed with my diagnostic tool (Xtools D7s)
thank you!

[PaulC5]

Our C4 ABS pump was replaced due to being damaged in a crash, not due to error codes/failure. It was behind the left front wing and the wings were plastic so did not give any protection.

[ozfrog]

Starter motor has a 20amp fuse that was blown. I replaced and car started (after starter was replaced). Poor diagnosis by the mechanic for sure.

Without trying to derail your thread, here's a little tale …

We had a battery changed locally in Wagga Wagga about 18 months ago. They didn't wait for the computers to shut down before disconnecting the battery. They had to get the car towed to the dealer, who happened to be across the road, for them to do a diagnosis on the car. Funny thing, a 20 amp fuse was blown. They replaced that fuse, and bingo! The car started. (I don't know what would happen now. The dealer in Wagga Wagga has given up Peugeot in the last 6 weeks. The nearest one is either Albury or Canberra. What fun! Just as well I didn't have to pay.)

But we've been having problems starting the car ever since. One day it will start. The next day, it will give us so much trouble trying to start …

There are three 20 Amp fuses in the 3008 under the cover of the engine bay fuse box. If the car gives me prolonged trouble with starting, I can usually take out the fuses, inspect them, see that they are all fine, swap them between the different positions, and then the car will start. I can never put the fuses back into the same spots as I removed them from. Occasionally, I have to get new fuses. But the next time it happens, I can reuse the fuses that failed the last time. Go figure! Tonight, however, nothing worked. I called for a tow after trying to start the car for more than 45 minutes. The NRMA came out and checked under the bonnet and listened to me trying to start the car, and heard the clicks. Then he went to the driver's position, turned the key once, got the same click, then turned the key a second time, and the car started.

No faults show on DiagBox. I don't remember what diagnostic tool my mechanic has, but it doesn't show any fault either.