c4 picasso puretech timing

[nuz18t]

Hi everyone
Hoping some expert friend can help me out with an issue on a 2017 c4 picasso 1.2 puretech VF7**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff]
Long story short, about an year ago i have replace timing belt on this c4 because oil ligth was flashing, sump removal, clean strainer, new belt, oil , etc...
On that time there was 3 fault codes that i couldnt delete p1034 66, p1033 66, p1032 66 permanent self-ignition before spark, rumble frequency to low, average and high incidence), car was running fine, without engine malfuncion on, decided to let it go thinking will need some cycles to relearn and clear out, run out of ideas at tht time for this 3 fault codes, same as now, as cant find a away to re-set rumble frequency...
Lately car as bring a new fault code p0011 00 Intake camshaft dephaser locking, first thing i did was check the timing, all fine, i have after replace the solenoid for inlet dephaser, made no difference, ive replaced the inlect dephaser and sadly fault code still pops almost immediatly after starting the engine... wonder if anyone can trow a ligth on this issue...
Also both autodata and e3 technical dont mencion that cranck tool its fitted in tdc, i have notice that cranck locking tool locks in without any cylinder on tdc, does anyone knows if thats how suposed to be, as im starting to think that timing been always off, car fires up easy and smooth silent idle...
Thanks in advance...

[GiveMeABreak]

Here are the fault descriptors (I've had to translate these, but they should make sense), but may not be of much help as there is such a wide range of possibilities as you can see....

Fault Code:	P1032 66
Description of Fault:	Self-ignition before spark (Rumble) (Low occurrence): Frequency too high. Detection of untimely ignition of the mixture in the cylinder before the production of the spark.
Conditions for Fault to clear:	Using the diagnostic tool
Downgrade Modes whilst Fault is active:	-
Symptoms:	Jerks, stalling Lack of power Difficult or impossible activation of the vehicle speed limitation or regulation function Deactivation or cut-off of the cruise control/vehicle speed limit function Starting problem Lack of automatic shutdown of the heat engine Vibration Growl / hum / hum Hiss and siren / hiss / air noise Malfunction of hot air production Defog/defrost malfunction Engine malfunction at idle Problem with the Stop and Start "ECO" warning light on the instrument panel lighting up Powertrain actuation problem Problem with automatic restart of the heat engine Malfunction of the Stop and Start command
Suspect Areas:	Spark plugs Air ducts Oil vapor recycling circuit Fuel Charge air cooler Engine oil Engine control computer Electrical harness Pistons-axes-segments Turbocharger Turbocharger pressure control solenoid valve Variable geometry turbocharger control Cylinders

Fault Code:	P1033 66
Description of Fault:	Self-ignition before spark (Rumble) (Average occurrence): Frequency too high. Detection of untimely ignition of the mixture in the cylinder before the production of the spark.
Conditions for Fault to clear:	Using the diagnostic tool
Downgrade Modes whilst Fault is active:	-
Symptoms:	Lack of automatic shutdown of the combustion engine Jerks, wedging Difficult or impossible activation of the vehicle speed limitation or regulation function Vibration Growl / hum / hum Hiss and siren / hiss / air noise Deactivation or cut-off of the cruise control/vehicle speed limit function Malfunction of hot air production Malfunction of the Stop and Start command Defog/defrost malfunction Engine malfunction at idle Lack of power Problem with the Stop and Start "ECO" warning light on the instrument panel lighting up Starting problem Powertrain actuation problem Problem with automatic restart of the heat engine
Suspect Areas:	Spark plugs Oil vapor recycling circuit Fuel Charge air cooler Air ducts Engine oil Engine control computer Electrical harness Pistons-axes-segments Turbocharger Turbocharger pressure control solenoid valve Variable geometry turbocharger control Cylinders

Fault Code:	P1034 66
Description of Fault:	Self-ignition before spark (Rumble) (High occurrence): Frequency too high. Detection of untimely ignition of the mixture in the cylinder before the production of the spark.
Conditions for Fault to clear:	Using the diagnostic tool.
Downgrade Modes whilst Fault is active:	-
Symptoms:	Lack of automatic shutdown of the combustion engine Jerks, wedging Impossible to activate the cruise control or vehicle speed limit function Vibration Growl / hum / hum Hiss and siren / hiss / air noise Deactivation or cut-off of the cruise control/vehicle speed limit function Malfunction of hot air production Malfunction of the Stop and Start command Defog/defrost malfunction Engine malfunction at idle Lack of power Problem with the Stop and Start "ECO" warning light on the instrument panel lighting up Starting problem Powertrain actuation problem Problem with automatic restart of the heat engine
Suspect Areas:	Spark plugs Oil vapor recycling circuit Fuel Charge air cooler Air ducts Engine oil Engine control computer Electrical harness Pistons-axes-segments Turbocharger Turbocharger pressure control solenoid valve Variable geometry turbocharger control Cylinders

[nuz18t]

This fault code its a peace of art
Complex but it does help...
Thank you

[xantia_v6]

My interpretation is that the fault is triggered by the knock sensor detecting an unexpected noise that might be a rumble. Try listening with a stethoscope on the block or head to see if you can hear anything.

[nuz18t]

Yes, pointing that away aswell!
Trying to figure this timing/tdc doubt 1st and then tackle that fault or not
Thank you

[nuz18t]

Can you please send a fault code description for p0011 00
Thank you

[GiveMeABreak]

First of all I think I forgot to mention you have an outstanding recall (after sales campaign) being flagged up on this vehicle, so I'd give Citroen a call and they'll be able to tell you what it's for - but don't hang about. The Work will be free of charge.

As for that code, I don't have that specific code for this engine unfortunately, but i know that code p0011 has been part of a technical service bulletin for these engines on several models and does concern the contamination of the oil as a result most likely of the timing belt issues on these engines.

This is the TSB for the EB2ADT 81KW engine, so whether it relates to your issues with this latest code I can't say, but I've also seen this document for other models with this engine. I've had to translate it, so be aware.

"DIAGNOSTIC LIGHT ILLUMINATION - IN THE PRESENCE OF FAULT CODES P0011, P0014
CONDITIONS OF APPEARANCE: VEHICLE WITH MILEAGE OVER 20,000 KM

1. ORIGIN
Timing belt .
2. AFTER-SALES INTERVENTION
Checks:
The condition of the filters of the 2 variable timing solenoid
valves The condition of the oil pump strainer
Condition of the vacuum pump oil filter
Replacement:
From the vacuum pump (if necessary) From the timing belt
From the lower oil sump (Only sheet metal version)
From the oil filter
From the turbocharger oil connection banjo screw and its seals
From the oil pump (if necessary)
From the oil pump solenoid valve (if necessary)
Cleaning:
Oil pump strainer (if necessary)
Filters for the 2 variable timing solenoid valves (if necessary)
Draining and filling the engine oil circuit.
2.1. Parts needed

BERLINGO VP (K9)
1 Vacuum pump (PR reference according to vehicle definition) (if necessary). 1 Timing belt (PR reference according to vehicle definition).
1 "Sheet metal" lower engine oil sump (PR reference according to vehicle definition) (if necessary). 1 hollow screw (reference PR 98 029 314 80) (if necessary).
2 Seals (reference PR 0376 64) (if necessary).
2 Oil filters (PR reference according to vehicle definition) (if necessary).
2 Drain plug seals (PR reference according to vehicle definition) (if necessary). 1 Oil pump (PR reference according to vehicle definition)(if necessary).
1 Oil pump solenoid valve (PR reference according to vehicle definition)(if necessary).
2.2. Ingredients
Brake cleaner (reference PR 16 090 610 80) (if necessary).
6.50 liters of engine oil recommended.
NOTE: Refer to the repair methods concerning any additional ingredients to be obtained for this intervention
2.3. Reading fault codes
IMPERATIVE: Comply with the procedure for using the diagnostic tool . The diagnosis carried out goes back to the central servers if and only if it is carried out in Internet connected mode, if the technician is authorized to use the guided methods and if the diagnosis is carried out from the "TROUBLESHOOTING" menu from the "Diagnosis" or "Expert" . At the end of the global test, wait for the start of the Diagnosis tab (home screen with selection of methods by domain) . Exit the Diagnosis session by returning to the home tab. Validate the message "Do you want to leave the
current session?"

Read fault codes:

• In the presence of fault code(s) P0011, P0014: Apply this document
• In the absence of fault codes P0011, P0014: Do not apply this document

NOTE: The fault code(s) may be accompanied by other fault codes

2.4. Checks
2.4.1. Check 1

Check the condition of the filters of the 2 variable timing solenoid valves:

• If the filters are partially or totally clogged: Perform operation 3 then check 2
• If the filters are not clogged: Do not apply this document; Perform thorough troubleshooting

2.4.2. Check 2
Drain engine oil.
Remove the lower engine oil pan.

Check the condition of the oil pump strainer (1) (at "a"):

• If the oil pump strainer is partially or totally clogged: Carry out operation 2 then check 3
• If the oil pump strainer is loose or damaged: Carry out operation 6 then check 3
• If the oil pump strainer is not clogged: Carry out check 3

2.4.3. Check 3
BERLINGO VP (K9) AND EB2ADT 81KW 1200 3 CYL ESS
Remove the vacuum pump.

Check the condition of the vacuum pump filter (at "b"):

• If the oil filter is clogged: Carry out operations 1, 4 and 5 + Additional operation
• If the oil filter is not clogged: Refit the vacuum pump; Carry out operations 4 and 5 + Complementary operation

2.5. Speeches
2.5.1. Operation 1
2.5.2. Response 2
Clean the oil pump strainer; Using a brake cleaner.
WARNING:Do not use compressed air
Install the lower engine oil pan.
2.5.3. Response 3
Clean the pilot solenoid valve filters; Using a brake cleaner.
WARNING:Do not use compressed air

2.5.4. Intervention 4
BERLINGO VP (K9) AND EB2ADT 81KW 1200 3 CYL ESS
Replace the oil pump solenoid valve (1).
2.5.5. Response 5
BERLINGO VP (K9) AND EB2ADT 81KW 1200 3 CYL ESS
Replace timing belt.
2.5.6. Response 6
BERLINGO VP (K9) AND EB2ADT 81KW 1200 3 CYL ESS
Replace the oil pump (1).

2.6. Complementary operation
To rest:

• The drain plug fitted with a new gasket
• The new oil filter

Check the engine oil level. To rest:

• The oil filler cap
• The manual dipstick

Warm up the engine in static mode until the first triggering of the fan assembly. Remove the manual dipstick.
Unscrew the oil filler cap. Loosen the drain plug.
Completely drain the engine of its oil (Wait 10 minutes).

Replace:
Gaskets (1)
The screw (2)
To rest:

• A new oil filter
• The drain plug fitted with a new seal

Check the engine oil level.

[nuz18t]

Thank you

[nuz18t]

Quick update, mite help someone on future, so decided to take Lexia out the cabinet, on repair there’s a section for “ inlet dephaser replacement, tick yes and all running good now! Other fault still on, resetting all options on rumble but fault codes won’t go nowhere, don’t think it’s a faulty knock sensor as that should pop other fault codes for knock sensor… will possibly ré-flash ecu and see how it goes…
Thank you

[krpeljsadvalj]

Do you have any updates on this? I'm having the same problem with fault codes P1032 and P1033. The engine runs fine but the fault codes cannot be cleared.