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Couple of snippets of energy news, not picked up at the time but as an aside to the TESLA Powerwall plus Solar discussion on the sister thread Energy Matters Home Solar.

Flicking through this https://theenergyst.com/

1 Smart Meters and domestic load shedding incentives.
Homes “to get paid to dial down”: NG-ESO mulls paid load shifting for households
Millions of homes equipped with time-sensitive smart meters could be offered as much as 600 pence per kWh foregone, if the National Grid ESO can prove to retailers, Ofgem and ministers that extending paid-for load-shifting to homes as well as commercial users will result in lower household bills.

2. Volkswagen aims for terawatt scale Vehicle to Grid (V2G)

Not just TESLA, VW want to make money out of "their" batteries, and not just from powering their electric cars.
Volkswagen aims for terawatt scale Vehicle to Grid (V2G)
Chief strategist Michael Jost told journalists that VW is aiming to amass 350GWh of storage at its disposal by 2025, Reuters reports.

By 2030 the total would grow to 1 terawatt hour, he suggested.

“We can guarantee that the energy will be used and stored and this will be a new area of business”, said Jost. Grid balancing is a preferred option.

VW announced last year its intention to launch Elli, its branded energy company, supported by a €30billion investment in the next five years in e-mobility and V2G.
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This thread has gone over the process of auctioning off areas of the North Sea for Wind Farm Development and the contractual arrangements of Contracts for difference. One thing that is in its favour, is that the development is an attractive proposition to the companies capable of delivering the large capital projects of creating the windfarms, and that in a competition with the rest of the world to bring into production large windfarms, the UK is making it happen as of now.

News then that the title of the Worlds biggest offshore windfarm is to be commissioned this month and its the UK's Hornsea 2.
https://electrek.co/2022/08/17/worlds-l ... nd-farm-2/

The UK’s Hornsea Two, the world’s largest single operational offshore wind farm, is expected to be fully commissioned before the end of August.
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Time for an irregular update on power useage and distrbution across the UK as of 7.30pm of a mid-August evening.
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Gibbo2286 wrote: 10 Aug 2022, 09:53 I bought one of the Home Bargains lanterns that stick into the ground it stopped working after just a week, must bring it in and see if it can be fixed.
Those stick in the ground things are always breaking, these bulbs are still working perfectly
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Rp0thejester wrote: 17 Aug 2022, 19:57
Gibbo2286 wrote: 10 Aug 2022, 09:53 I bought one of the Home Bargains lanterns that stick into the ground it stopped working after just a week, must bring it in and see if it can be fixed.
Those stick in the ground things are always breaking, these bulbs are still working perfectly
I never got round to looking at mine but it came back to life on its own. :)
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bobins wrote: 17 Aug 2022, 19:36 Time for an irregular update on power useage and distrbution across the UK as of 7.30pm of a mid-August evening.

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Is there a pilot who knows how to fly that thing :-D

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NewcastleFalcon wrote: 17 Aug 2022, 20:08
bobins wrote: 17 Aug 2022, 19:36 Time for an irregular update on power useage and distrbution across the UK as of 7.30pm of a mid-August evening.
Is there a pilot who knows how to fly that thing :-D

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I think when the right hand dial gets to the north, you can take off. Haven't worked out landing yet, but how hard can it be ? :lol:
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Probably in the proper news, but here it is in The Energyst
Ofgem director Farnish quits over price cap calculation

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As reported previously
2. Volkswagen aims for terawatt scale Vehicle to Grid (V2G)

Not just TESLA, VW want to make money out of "their" batteries, and not just from powering their electric cars.
Hyundai and Renault and Sono participating in this project in Utrecht

Don't think we have had this video about vehicle to grid. Bit wordy but gives some idea of the potential of a large number of large storage batteries in Electric Vehicles, being utilised for more than just powering electric motors to convey you from A to B, and sitting idle for the rest of each day. Of course its a revenue stream for those buying and selling and making use of the storage capacity of the battery, just like the Powerwall2. I expect the EV driver will have little to do with this actively, but will be compensated for their V2G consent, but not as much of course as the robotic traders will generate.



on a much smaller scale we have had this before


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On the occasion of this the 1000th post on the Energy Matters global and domestic thread, time for a random dig up of a post from the previous 999. No editing at all will be applied the random hand will select the post good bad or indifferent.

In the interests of surprise in a "wonder what its going to be?" fashion, I have put the selected post in a spoiler, ready to be unwrapped like an unexpected gift...

15 posts per page 66 full pages 9 posts on page number 67 in the oldest first convention totalling 999.

and random.org has produced post number 651. so that post number 6 on page 43.

Enjoy again...
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Dormouse wrote: 09 Oct 2021, 15:34
mickthemaverick wrote: 09 Oct 2021, 14:25 Picking up on that Gibbo and applying a bit of basic physics, "energy cannot be created nor destroyed, merely changed from one form to another" is how I remember learning it so if we convert wind energy to electricity it would mean the wind must have less energy to blow down houses etc which seems good!! However it also means less wind energy for other positive uses and begs the question will it interfere with the water cycle for example. Sun evaporates sea into clouds, wind blows clouds over land where they condense and supply our water reserves and then run back into the sea. If we have less wind energy available will that mean a slowing of the water cycle? :shock:
Picking up on this basic Conserving of Energy Principal, Mother Earth will always apply this to herself hence the entire climate change issue. It is not an issue for Mother Earth, it is an issue for us Humans and our survival. Mother Earth will just keep applying the Principle in order to maintain herself. It is most definitely us that will have to change to survive.
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An informative narrative from Octopus Energy about the current energy crisis. It seems madness the way the electricity prices are calculated - nice extra profits for some of the generators for doing diddly-squat extra :(

"What's caused this?
After the lockdowns around the world, global supply chains suffered from shortages, pushing prices up. But Putin's invasion of Ukraine sent gas prices skyrocketing to unprecedented levels and they've only got worse.

Where's the money going?
Put simply, oil and gas extractors. Whilst the cost of extracting gas hasn't increased, the global shortages have increased prices from 60p/therm to £4.80/ therm. To put it in perspective - the UK usually spends £11bn buying the gas to deliver to homes, and to generate electricity for them. This year that's more like £51bn.

Why is renewable electricity more expensive?
The UK has a single wholesale price for electricity — whether renewable or not. Indeed, renewable electricity costs more because we need to pay for certificates on top of the wholesale price. This is bonkers and we have frequently called for reform. This may happen but not in time for this year.

Is Octopus making a profit on this?
No. We've never made a profit, nor paid our shareholders a dividend, and won't do this year. Instead, we have put everything into helping customers.

For perspective, we'd usually pay £1.5b to buy all our customers' energy for a year. This year it'll be more like £9b.

What could the government do?
We were pleased when the government announced its existing support package in May, but since then prices have escalated and that means the package is hundreds of pounds less effective than it was originally intended to be. And with January prices likely to be dramatically higher still, it's clear that the existing support package is not enough.

Whilst there are many ideas, Octopus agrees with other energy companies that the best plan is to freeze the price around the existing cap level. This would be paid for by an industry-wide fund. We'll blog details shortly, but in short — while wholesale prices are higher, companies use the fund to deliver the price freeze and when wholesale prices drop, companies pay back into the fund. This would see prices at current levels for 2-4 years, and then fall over the next decade - especially as cheap renewables come online and market reform passes the savings to customers. Crucially, it would also reduce inflation by about 3.5%, helping reduce other costs across the economy.

Surely the government can't support energy bills forever?
Absolutely right. The markets expect global gas prices to come back down in two-ish years, or sooner if the war in Ukraine resolves. This is because right now, gas storage is being increased and supply chains are being built and re-routed globally so that the UK and Europe get more reliable and resilient access to gas.

At the same time, renewable projects are being accelerated in the UK and across Europe, and electricity markets will be reformed to help bring electricity prices down via cheaper renewables. The long-term thinking in the plans we propose helps absorb the volatile and high market prices in the short term and then bring prices down as gas and electricity markets improve. We don't need magic money, we need shock absorbers and market reform.

Are prices going up more in the UK than in Europe?
Wholesale prices are very similar across Europe but government response varies by country.

This very clear Reuters article is a good summary of the differences in government actions by country.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-08-15/

Is there hope?
Yes. The price freeze proposal would stabilise prices whilst we get long-term solutions in place. And then prices will drift down to not much more than half current levels over the next decade. We will continue to work extremely hard with the rest of the industry, government and other organisation to try to make this - or alternative solutions - a reality.

With regret and determination,
Greg Jackson
Founder, Octopus Energy"
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If Germany and Russia would stop playing silly buggers with the gas pipelines it might all calm down and we might get back to competition between the suppliers holding the price down.
The price cap was originally intended to stop the energy companies holding loyal customers on high tariffs whilst offering better deals to new customers but things have changed and it's gone belly up.
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Back in the old days when there was just a looming energy price mini-crisis September 2021, the powers that be were not that keen on the current Role of National Grid plc as Electricity System Operator (ESO), the pilots watching the dials of UK Energy Demand, and UK Energy Supply on our behalf, but seemingly taking no corrective action other than waiting to be hit with further rocketing prices on the supply side.

National Grid as the ESO (Electricity Service Operator) haven't quite been booted out yet, and one further letter up the alphabet, the proposed brand new FSO (Future System Operator) has not replaced them as far as I know.
Of course its difficult as ever to see who is in charge between Ofgem/The Government and the ESO but between them they do have tools at their disposal of varying degrees of draconian-ness, more so the demand side.
Homes “to get paid to dial down”: NG-ESO mulls paid load shifting for households
Millions of homes equipped with time-sensitive smart meters could be offered as much as 600 pence per kWh foregone, if the National Grid ESO can prove to retailers, Ofgem and ministers that extending paid-for load-shifting to homes as well as commercial users will result in lower household bills.
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I was reading somewhere a month or so ago about one of the chief execs(?) of one of the ESO's putting forward the suggestion for discussion about allowing the ESO's to switch off Smart meters in the event of an 'emergency' power situation. This would have required the roll out of a third generation Smart meter to allow for this. What was classed as an 'emergency' wasn't described, but it's not unreasonable to suggest it'd be where there isn't enough electricity to go around. His proposal was to be submitted to OFGEM for their persusal, and to be fair it was expected that OFGEM would tell him to 'go forth and multiply' :wink: . As the boss of Octopus Energy said (and I paraphrase) : "They should be building more capacity, not squandering their profits and expecting the public to put up with their under investment."
No idea of the ultimate outcome of OFGEM's cogitation, unfortunately. :(