Modern Peugeots vs Modern Citroens

LeFrog · Unread post by **LeFrog** » 14 Dec 2004, 13:09

I thought it would make a change to post a topic that isn't a problem that needs to be solved.
I've owned a Pug 306xsi & have a Citroen Xsara VTS. I fail to see why Citroen is better than Peugeot or vice versa. Thinking about the car alone (not sales or service), why would you buy a modern Cit over a modern Pug?

DoubleChevron · Unread post by **DoubleChevron** » 14 Dec 2004, 14:10

What difference ??
At least the C5 has a cr@ppy version of **proper** suspension. It doesn't even have daravi or central hydraulics ... Not even high pressure brakes.
As for the others, why ?? There just rebadged poogoes ... how could you say ones better than the other... It probably comes down to which one you like the look of most.
seeya,
Shane L.

406 V6 · Unread post by **406 V6** » 14 Dec 2004, 16:33

Still, a HP suspension makes the difference, though the cr@ppy part is true.
The brakes have the same sensitivety of older Cits, btw, scary as h€ll!

Unread post by **Thunderbird** » 14 Dec 2004, 20:42

The engines are the same but there are other aspects that make a difference. The Ford, Jaguar, or even Suzuki, also have the HDi engine and they look/feel rather different.
One of those aspects is style. OK, you could say that isn't important to you, but it is for many people and has an important role on the moment of the decision. Most people I know wouldn't buy a car with a style they dislike.
Gearboxes, space for passengers and bags, driving position, maintenance cost and availability in the area, promotions, etc - there are many other important aspects.
Suspension, like 406 V6 mentioned, is another aspect where the cars are different. Handling is different, comfort is different. And this is, to me, a crucial factor, since after carpet riding through the road on a DS or a Xantia, it's very difficult to come to like any Peugeot, not even the 607.
After owning one of these Citroens, there are only three options: Mercedes Class S (pneumatic), Rolls Royce, or another hydropneumatic Citroen. [;)][8D]

ACTIVE8 · Unread post by **ACTIVE8** » 14 Dec 2004, 21:19

Nothing beats that lovely ride, at an affordable price (when a few years old) thank you Citroen for daring to be different!
Also people in general (who don't own one) tend to have an attitude about the spheres, WHY ?
When they need to be changed, they can be done quicker than attending to the (boring , basic, rough) suspension on their car.
Yet, they do appreciate the quality of ride that they can get when they are in a coach, and the air suspension wafts them along.[:D]

paranoid · Unread post by **paranoid** » 14 Dec 2004, 21:43

After working as a mechanic with a large fleet of both pugs and citroen cars (ax up to xm and 106 up to 605), and always swearing never to own a citroen[:(!] I have ended up with a xantia and I really do love it and maintain it religously. I have always known that the hyd suspension wasn't as troublesome as it was made out to be, hence the questions I have asked on the forum! I never used to have to touch it on the bx's/xants I worked on so was at a bit of a loss when I got mine.
But with cits I always have the feeling that something will need fiddling with in the near future,perhaps this goes back to the workshop days. The pugs did always seem that bit less quirky, ie the dash lights always worked, switches always worked etc etc and at the time of the 405 V Bx the 405 was a lot better screwed together.
Engines and boxes were bulletproof on both provided the coolant was changed every 2 years. But sadly compared with the Cavaliers and modeos (boring boring boring things) that could be run into the ground on just oil and filter changes the citroens made little business sense when it came to clutch changes etc.
Still I love the look of the new 407 not so keen on the 307 though and my brothers 206 really is a chiropractors best friend (ouch chipped another tooth)

Unread post by **user_3150** » 15 Dec 2004, 01:46

I was going to do a similar post on Xantias vs 406 as we have a 406 at work. To be honest I would rather keep my Citroen as it's miles more comfortable the 406 was harsh and bouncy (it's an estate). Also you don't have to work for NASA to work the stereo and ventalation controls. Not keen on the Radio stalk control kept changing chanels when adjusting the volume. It had a 110 engine which was smoother than my 90 + used all the rev range without running out of steam (nothing a dragon chip won't sort on mine). One last thing which is no fault of the car but every Taxi firm around my way uses 406's and in Silver the same as our company car.

Unread post by **Thunderbird** » 24 May 2005, 23:09

Shouldn't this topic have been locked?

Unread post by **Jon** » 24 May 2005, 23:18

Thunderbird said:Shouldn't this topic have been locked?
I'll be the judge of what gets locked, I don't see any reason to do so, its seems to be an informed discussion. Until you made your post that was. Gravedigger!

turbolag · Unread post by **turbolag** » 25 May 2005, 00:36

I drive a 406 D9 and my bro had a Xantia til very recently. Both great cars, i'd say the Xant slightly comfier but the pug slightly roomier. The Xant a better ride, but the pug a better handler (once my brain had recalibrated itself to the odd, somewhat ponderous steering).
Really, not much to choose between either.
Further comparisons came to nowt when the Xant, which had been meticulaously maintained and serviced, threw a rod on #2 cylinder, damaging the crankcase (it was a 2 litre petrol) at just under 60k miles. Ooops.

Paulmi16 · Unread post by **Paulmi16** » 25 May 2005, 03:03

Dont really know as i've only had (as in it was a company car) one Citroen and that was a Xantia td, and that was only for a few weeks. I've owned and driven 11 Peugeots which I have liked and enjoyed with the exception of the 306 which I consider to be the work of the devil. I've been so disappointed with it that I will never ever buy another Peugeot with my own money, and this probably goes for Citroen as well, which is unfair but they are in my mind the same company.
I think modern cars are no fun any more. I am quite capable of noticing when it rains and can switch on the wipers, I also tend to notice when it dark, and can make my own decision as to when and if I want the air-con on. They are also too complicated and too expensive and time comsuming to fix.
Paul.

Kowalski · Unread post by **Kowalski** » 25 May 2005, 03:29

You know when there is too much rain for intermittent wipe and not enough for low speed, thats when the automatic wipers come into their own. Climate control is good too, I don't have to adjust my heater controls, come winter or summer, they're set and they look after themselves. I'd agree about the air con though, I like being able to turn it off and know it isn't using fuel.

turbolag · Unread post by **turbolag** » 27 May 2005, 00:59

I'm with Kowalski about the infernal rain sensitive wipers on the 406. Obviously the French haven't forgiven us yet for some past infraction.
But the aircon isn't a problem in the pugs - press the 'A/C' button once, the amber light goes out and no extra fuel is being consumed.

PowerLee · Unread post by **PowerLee** » 27 May 2005, 01:15

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But the aircon isn't a problem in the pugs - press the 'A/C' button once, the amber light goes out and no extra fuel is being consumed.
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Unless its the full climate control system & it turns ITSELF on even though it was set to OFF when you parked the car up.
It doesnt even wait untill the engine is RUNNING, It just turns it self on, That got on my nerves.

turbolag · Unread post by **turbolag** » 27 May 2005, 02:24

Thats true, mine has the full climate and it does revert to AC when you switch off.
alternatively, crank the temperature up to 25C, then the AC never switches in. Voila![;)]