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intermilan206
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Re: DS5 suspension

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p4n05 wrote:
10 Nov 2021, 17:18
Which ones did you get as i cant seem to be able to find the ones for the DS5 (Citroen DS5 2012 that is). Even in the Bilstein website there isnt an option for DS5. There is for DS3 but not DS5

https://www.bilstein-shop.com/citroen-c-89337.html?p=1

Many thanks

Panos
Can refer to the links below for
Bilstein B4 for Citroen DS5 & DS 5.

This is the link for front right.
https://www.bilstein-shocks.co.uk/products/22-232472
This is the link for front left.
https://www.bilstein-shocks.co.uk/products/22-232465
This is the link for the rear shock.
https://www.bilstein-shocks.co.uk/products/19-232485

Sold in other online shop as well.. e.g. autodoc
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Re: DS5 suspension

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Hi,
I still haven't got any new ones. Hope to get some advice from those who have done it before proceeding.

The part numbers are:

Bilstein B4 Front Right — 22-232472
Bilstein B4 Front Left — 22-232465
Bilstein B4 Rear — 19-232485
or Sachs Rear — 314934

We put 225/50-R18 Michelin Primacy 4 tyres on to replace the 235/45-R18 original size. This really improved the ride greatly.
But one front shock is noisy so they need to be replaced still
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Re: DS5 suspension

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intermilan206 wrote:
09 Nov 2021, 10:50
On 2nd set of ori front shock (rear changed to Sachs) and they are still rubbish except on perfect road surface. The low speed ride quality is absolutely unacceptable.
Would love to know whether Bilstein B4 or KYB shocks able to provide pliant ride to DS5.
The OEM ones are indeed very rough, especially at low speeds (fine on smooth highway though). We've driven just a couple of DS5 and they all ride much the same harshly at low speeds, even the newer >2015 DS - DS5's.
There are many reviews on both the Bilsteins and KYB's for other cars but very few for them on a DS5.
Most suggest that the KYB's have a harshish low speed ride, presumably like the OEM ones and that, although the Bilsteins are firm-ish they aren't harsh. The Bilstein B4 look like the best option but the FLH side is out of stock until next year.
So thinking about the KYB ones.

Titan do an adjustable coilover kit for the DS5 (see below). Being in Malaysia, do you have any knowledge of them?
Converting to coilovers seems extreme and usually they are for 'sports' driving whereas I'm looking for comfort.

https://shopee.com.my/Citroen-DS5-Year- ... 2728367354
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Re: DS5 suspension

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Hi,

Mind sharing pictures of the alloys with those Primacy 4 since its narrower and taller than before. Wanted to know how it look like.
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Re: DS5 suspension

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CC1701 wrote:
16 Nov 2021, 05:13
intermilan206 wrote:
09 Nov 2021, 10:50
On 2nd set of ori front shock (rear changed to Sachs) and they are still rubbish except on perfect road surface. The low speed ride quality is absolutely unacceptable.
Would love to know whether Bilstein B4 or KYB shocks able to provide pliant ride to DS5.
The OEM ones are indeed very rough, especially at low speeds (fine on smooth highway though). We've driven just a couple of DS5 and they all ride much the same harshly at low speeds, even the newer >2015 DS - DS5's.
There are many reviews on both the Bilsteins and KYB's for other cars but very few for them on a DS5.
Most suggest that the KYB's have a harshish low speed ride, presumably like the OEM ones and that, although the Bilsteins are firm-ish they aren't harsh. The Bilstein B4 look like the best option but the FLH side is out of stock until next year.
So thinking about the KYB ones.

Titan do an adjustable coilover kit for the DS5 (see below). Being in Malaysia, do you have any knowledge of them?
Converting to coilovers seems extreme and usually they are for 'sports' driving whereas I'm looking for comfort.

https://shopee.com.my/Citroen-DS5-Year- ... 2728367354
I have used Titan customised kit for my Peugeot but that was more than 10 years ago and it wasn't a coilover. Back then adjusting the soft/hard of that kit is so troublesome, I finally gave up and switched to Koni Yellow which I still use until now.
Having said that.. basically they know what they are doing. I have the experienced of having my kit (for my Peugeot) done by the owner himself. As for the coilover kit that they have for DS5, I am aware of it but too pricey / won't spend that much. I am thinking of replacing the original shocks with Bilstein B4 and replace the existing tyres (Michelin PS4) with softer sidewall tyres (perhaps with Michelin Primacy 4) to improve the ride quality. Handling be damned.
Back to Titan... I am not sure but from the pictures, design and setup of the coilover seems pretty standard. But whether have they done proper and adequate R&D prior to introducing kit for DS5 is something that worth validating. There aren't many DS5 here in Malaysia.
Additionally need to know if its easy to adjust the hi-lo and soft-hard settings (can be done without having to take them out of the car?) and whether they shipped the DS5 kit with preset settings that served as baseline / default settings.
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Re: DS5 suspension

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This will come too late for qprdude but I note the following comments from: www.pistonheads.com/gassing/"....

"I agree with the Hydractive3 comments, the DS5 really should have it. It's the biggest downfall of the car, the standard suspension setup. The early cars, 2012/2013 had different rear shock absorbers to the later cars, I have just fitted the later 2014+ shocks to my 2013 car and it has made a huge difference, the ride is much softer, more stable and less crashy than before. It's not hydropneumatic soft but it's a big step in the right direction. I would recommend anybody with an early DS5 do this mod, well worth the money. Sachs part number 314934.
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Re: DS5 suspension

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intermilan206 wrote:
20 Nov 2021, 19:22
Mind sharing pictures of the alloys with those Primacy 4 since its narrower and taller than before. Wanted to know how it look like.
The change in tyre siize isn't visually noticeable. Only 10 mm narrower. Even that isn't noticeable as sidewalls vary a lot between manufacturers. The sidewall is just 7 mm taller, again visually the same.
But it rides and steers a whole lot better. Where it does make a difference is that 7 mm in radius stops the nose scrapping on gutters/curbs, and corrects the speedo to within 1-2 km/h.
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Re: DS5 suspension

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intermilan206 wrote:
20 Nov 2021, 20:07
I have used Titan customised kit for my Peugeot but that was more than 10 years ago and it wasn't a coilover. Back then adjusting the soft/hard of that kit is so troublesome, I finally gave up and switched to Koni Yellow which I still use until now.
Having said that.. basically they know what they are doing. I have the experienced of having my kit (for my Peugeot) done by the owner himself. As for the coilover kit that they have for DS5, I am aware of it but too pricey / won't spend that much. I am thinking of replacing the original shocks with Bilstein B4 and replace the existing tyres (Michelin PS4) with softer sidewall tyres (perhaps with Michelin Primacy 4) to improve the ride quality. Handling be damned.
Back to Titan... I am not sure but from the pictures, design and setup of the coilover seems pretty standard. But whether have they done proper and adequate R&D prior to introducing kit for DS5 is something that worth validating. There aren't many DS5 here in Malaysia.
Additionally need to know if its easy to adjust the hi-lo and soft-hard settings (can be done without having to take them out of the car?) and whether they shipped the DS5 kit with preset settings that served as baseline / default settings.
Thanks for the detailed reply. Troublesome to adjust doesn't sound like much of an incentive. I am worried that coilovers are more for performance cars and I'm not that fussed on fiddling with it too much.
The DS5 has recently developed a problem with its auto box. Have changed the fluid and its helped but there is a lot of debris in it. It may well be time to move on to another car. As such, might just put a hold on doing the shocks.

Tyres: I had PS4's on my C5 X7 and replaced them with the Primacy 4. Did the same as the DS5, went up a profile and down a width (245/45-R18 -> 235/50-R18) Wow, even on the C5 (hydro model) they made a huge difference to the ride, which, although good, it did crash over sharp bumps at low speed. On the 50 series Primacy 4's its just lovely to ride in at low speeds.
PS4's are one of the very best perfomance tyres with huge reserves of grip; wet and dry. But they are noisy and get noisier as they age and at some point, mine 3 years, they went off and lost part of their temendous grip and the ride further deteriorated. Great tyre, especially in the wet, but the Primacys have enough grip and seem made for the C5 and DS5, are confident in all conditions, but their grip level isn't quite as high as the PS4's.

Only 319 DS5s came to Australia. They are pretty rare here too, as are DS5 specific parts. My wife loves hers but we'll see if we get another or move on to something else.
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Re: DS5 suspension

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What's the deal with 1st gen (Citroën DS5 till 2015) and 2nd gen (DS Automobiles DS5 from 2015) suspension these days? Are the currently sold shocks compatible across the old and new DS5 because that's effectively the picture I get from browsing spareparts stores?

The rear shocks seem to be shared by many models. For example, most stores list the same Sachs 314 934 for DS5 gen 1&2 and C4 Picasso and other PSA cars with the similar construct in the rear suspension. I can understand that as the rear ones are just pretty standard-form shocks with eyes in both ends. Actually, I'm quite sure you could fit a number of different shocks in the rear as long as the length fits all right and the eyes are properly bushed.

The front, however, I've understood to differ more between 1gen and 2gen DS5. The later generation was reported to have much better ride than the first generation and thus enjoying different front struts/shocks as well. But again the parts shops give the exact same shock for both gen 1 and 2, such as: https://www.mister-auto.co.uk/front-sho ... 22-232472/ and because PSA owns Mister-Auto I would expect them to know what they're selling.

What's the deal here? If I were to install those front shocks in my gen1 DS5 would I get a better ride closer to gen2 DS5? Or are those just comparable to the original gen1 shocks and if I had a gen2 DS5 that would actually be a downgrade? Is there actually a difference between the new and old and if there is could someone spare the OEM part numbers for the gen 2 front shocks so that I could hopefully find pictures and compare.
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Re: DS5 suspension

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Speaking strictly from the official struts point of view, the parts were already different depending on the engine variant and build dates. There is no one size fits all and although the ride in the DS5 was notoriously bad, using the wrong shocks for the wrong engine probably won't help. Diesel engines are generally heavier than petrol engines of course, but even so, there are different struts depending on the diesel engine variant too.
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Re: DS5 suspension

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Of course. Thus, for reference, the parts and numbers I mentioned come from comparing the gen 1 and 2 parts both with the same 2.0 litre hdi163 that I have.