C3 engines what are they shared with?

danielsydney · Unread post by **danielsydney** » 29 Apr 2005, 13:19

Hi guys was just wondering what engine the C3 auto 1.4 has and what other cars is it shared with? ie: saxo, Zx, etc or any other french cars?[:D]

Unread post by **Peter.N.** » 29 Apr 2005, 13:33

If its the diesel, I think it is the same one used by Ford

Homer · Unread post by **Homer** » 29 Apr 2005, 13:50

Certainly the Peugeot equivalents (107, 207, 307?)
I think the ZX only had an 8valve 1.4 (petrol), may be true of the Saxo as well. Is the C3 16v? Most cars seem to be these days.

jeremy · Unread post by **jeremy** » 29 Apr 2005, 14:22

Does this help?
http://www.citroen.co.uk/level4/technic ... =C3&lhn=C3
I think I saw on the Peugeot site that this small diesel is very high teck with things like hollow shafts for lightweight.
Jeremy

Unread post by **Thunderbird** » 29 Apr 2005, 14:45

PSA (Citroen/Peugeot) engines could always be foun in many brands, like Fiat group, Renault, Volvo, Suzuki, Ford group (including jaguar), Toyota, etc. In every case, the reason was reducing engine production costs.
More recently we had the jointventure with BMW. The new 1.6 petrol engine for the C2, C3, C4, C5, will be the same found on the mini.
Of course that for the series 3 BMW will use a more sophisticated and expensive engine. The idea is to reduce the cost of the mini and not give it a superb engine.
Citroen can give lessons to BMW how to produce a cheap engine, as BMW could give lessons to Citroen how to produce a superb petrol engine.
http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/12/14/ ... _in_detail

Homer · Unread post by **Homer** » 29 Apr 2005, 18:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jeremy

Does this help?
http://www.citroen.co.uk/level4/technic ... =C3&lhn=C3
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Ah, so is it the auto or the sensodrive?
Assuming the auto as listed there it's the 1.4 and I'm guessing an 8valve since there is a 16valve listed with loads more oomph.
Is it the same engine as fitted to the BX? Fuel injected obviously but I think some of the late BX14s had cats and injection (16s and 19s definately).

TomH · Unread post by **TomH** » 29 Apr 2005, 18:30

Is it the TU3 1.4?
In which case the Saxo and Xsara, Peugeot 106 and 306
well every Peugeot or Citroen 1.4 of the last 10 years or more!

Homer · Unread post by **Homer** » 29 Apr 2005, 18:54

Yep, it's a TUJ3P
Didn't have to look too far - DOH!
BX also had a TU3 engine.
As did/does....
AX, Berlingo, C2, Saxo, Xsara, ZX, and a whole raft of Peugeot cars.

jeremy · Unread post by **jeremy** » 29 Apr 2005, 19:09

New Mini - psa engines look interesting - should be fun to repair in due course!
And to think they only stopped making the Austin/Bl etc 1275 engine in 2000 or 2001!
Isn't the present mini engine a derivative of the Chrysler Neon engine - Chrysler/Daimler - BMW - PSA - Ford . . .
mind you ford have now thrown BMW engines out of Range Rovers and are fitting jaguar V8's - not sure about diesels though.
Interesting this new engine has cast steel liners - not the linerless alloy construction pioneered by GM (Chevy Vega) and taken up by Porsche and others.
jeremy

madmanbob · Unread post by **madmanbob** » 29 Apr 2005, 20:17

"Citroen can give lessons to BMW how to produce a cheap engine, as BMW could give lessons to Citroen how to produce a superb petrol engine."
could be right but BMW produce better diesels than petrols these days. 2 litre petrol 143 bhp, 2 litre diesel 163 bhp.
The diesel engine in the C£ comes in 2 versions, a 70 bhp 8valve and the 92 bhp 16valve, both are 1400cc. The 16 valve engine is, I believe, only Citroen. (I had one for 2 years) The 8 valve engines have been bought by Ford for the Fiesta as they cannot make a good small diesel. None of these small diesels have ever gon into any Volvo, Renault or any other make.

Kowalski · Unread post by **Kowalski** » 29 Apr 2005, 20:34

I think that BMW makes the best petrol and diesel engines, certainly the most technologically advanced, they have to since they're making the "ultimate driving machine".
Their 2.0 litre diesel managed 150bhp and 50mpg (combined), nobody else can do both at the same time everybody else seems to have lost mpgs when they've pushed power outputs up, I'd be interested to see what BMW does differently. I'd also be interested to see why Honda's 2.2 CTDI engine manages 50mpg combined where the PSA 2.2 only managed 44.
BMW have had their "valvetronic" system on the petrols for some time, it completely elliminates the need for throttle butterfly valves. They've also had direct fuel injection on the petrols for some time too.
PSA are a volume manufacturer, so they're less cutting edge, less risky and more mechanically durable in the long term. BMW had problems with Nikasil lined aluminium blocks and I believe others have had the same problems, hence PSA uses steel liners in their engines.

madasafish · Unread post by **madasafish** » 29 Apr 2005, 20:46

Ford and Citroen produce the 1.4 diesel as a joint venture to cut investment costs
PSA Peugeot Citroën / Ford
PSA Peugeot Citroën and Ford jointly produce four families of common rail direct injection diesel engines:
- 1.4-liter and 1.6-liter engines.
- A second-generation 2-liter engine.
- A 2.7-liter V6 engine.
- A new family of engines for light commercial vehicles.
Through this cooperation, the two companies expect to become the world's leading diesel engine manufacturer in the short term. By 2005, they will be jointly manufacturing more than 9,000 engines a day, for a total development and production investment of €1.22 billion.
2003: PSA Peugeot Citroën and Ford introduce new 1.6-liter and 2-liter common rail direct injection diesels developed in the second phase of their cooperative venture. These engines are manufactured at PSA Peugeot Citroën's Trémery plant. Scheduled to gradually equip both partners' model lines in the second half of 2003, the engines represent another step toward meeting customer demand in four priority areas: fuel economy, clean combustion, low running noise and outstanding performance. The engines required an aggregate investment of nearly €1 billion.
Read the press release
Download the press kit
2001: PSA Peugeot Citroën and Ford Motor Company introduce the first direct injection diesel engine developed under their cooperation agreements. Marketed as the HDi 1.4 by PSA Peugeot Citroën and the Duratorq TDCi 1.4 by Ford, it is rated at 1,398 cc. The family will equip PSA Peugeot Citroën Platform 1 and 2 vehicles and Ford's small and mid-range cars. In the 18 months following startup of series production, a total of 23 applications for the new engine family will be created on vehicles manufactured by the partners. This first stage of their cooperation will eventually result in high production levels of around 6,000 engines a day.
For more about the HDi 1.4 engine
1999: A framework agreement is signed to extend the two partners' cooperation in the area of diesel engines. The new agreement calls for the development of direct injection engines for cars and light commercial vehicles. Four specific projects will be examined:
- An extension of the family of small aluminum diesel engines already being engineered by the partners ;
- Technological upgrades of a mid-sized second generation HDi engine ;
- A family of V-shaped diesel engines for both companies' luxury vehicles ;
- An extended range of diesel engines enhanced with new technologies to equip commercial vehicles.
1998: Jean-Martin Folz, Chairman of PSA Peugeot Citroën, and Jacques Nasser, President of Ford Motor Company, announce an agreement to jointly develop a new family of small diesel engines incorporating the latest technologies, including common rail direct fuel injection. With a development target of two and a half years, the new engine will be manufactured at the Douvrin plant and will replace the TUD range of engines. The partners will share the total cost of the project.
http://tinyurl.com/5ayow

Unread post by **Thunderbird** » 29 Apr 2005, 20:58

Kowalski, you're right when you say BMW has the best petrol and diesel engines.
That 2.0d 150 bhp you mentioned was replaced by a new 2.0d 163bhp that's even more economical. Unbelievable! No other brand has a 2.0 diesel with such a performance.
In petrol the difference is dramatic. Compare the PSA-Renault V6 3.0 with BMW's 6 cilinders 3.0 and you'll have to laugh (or cry) at the differences in all respects - economy, power, torque, silence, etc.
If we go to the V8 diesel and petrol engines, we'll find they're also amazing. Powerful and economical when compared with rivals.
The new electronic suspensions with active steering achieve amazing results in terms of handling. No other family car in the market provides such a perfect handling and driving fun as the last version BMW's. Superb braking. Silence. Quality in every sense. Etc.
There are only three things I dislike in BMW's: body style, suspension discomfort, and price.
If they had the style, suspension comfort and price of a Citroen, I would buy one. [:D]
It's true new technologies bring new complications (headaches), but only for the first one to three years. After that, engines become very reliable.

ActivaV6uk · Unread post by **ActivaV6uk** » 29 Apr 2005, 21:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> "Kowalski, you're right when you say BMW has the best petrol and diesel engines.
That 2.0d 150 bhp you mentioned was replaced by a new 2.0d 163bhp that's even more economical. Unbelievable! No other brand has a 2.0 diesel with such a performance."<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
The 168bhp engine in my colegues volvo is made by whome then (may be wrongly infomed but i was told that was a 2L)?

Kowalski · Unread post by **Kowalski** » 29 Apr 2005, 21:21

AFAIK, The Volvo 2.4 litre D5 engine is made by Volvo for Volvo.
2401cc / 5 cylinders / 163 bhp / 46 mpg (combined)
It was a product of the modular engines programme that Volvo had, I believe that Porsche did the actual engineering of it all. Prior to the D5, Volvo had some nasty VW 5 cylinder direct injection diesel van engine.