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Well it's been an expensive two weeks on the car front. :(

As mentioned on Richards blog, way back on Wednesday 3rd I got a puncture on the left rear tyre of the Ion - second time for that wheel since I've had the car. #-o

The worst thing was, unlike most punctures this one was completely avoidable and my fault. :oops: I park behind a fold down bollard near work, this evil thing:
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If there's a car parked across the road it's awkward to get in or out without running it over with the rear left wheel - something I've done dozens if not hundreds of times without incident, but this time I came a cropper when it took a nick out of the inner sidewall of the tyre close to the rim. [-X As soon as I got out to fold the bollard back up I could hear the tyre hissing like an angry snake.

Come to think of it, the puncture I had a year ago was also the left rear wheel on the inner sidewall and also on the way home from work about 5 minutes up the road, so was very likely caused by the same thing. Whoops! :oops:

No spare tyre in this car and I'd used up the tyre repair goo kit last year and not replaced it, mainly because it seems pretty ineffective, so another call to the AA... An hour and a half later they arrived! :( Next surprise is that my AA account apparently doesn't include recovery of the car back to the house (17 miles) despite the AA guy doing it last year using their universal spare. Only recovery to the nearest authorised garage or tyre shop is covered, although the guy did admit that they do have discretion to go up to 10 miles but not 17.

At that time of night nobody nearby was open, so a complicated plan was hatched of me with the AA's spare wheel being followed to a nearby national tyres, leaving my car in their car park overnight, getting dropped off at the nearby train station, from there I'd have to get a train home, then a taxi (or walk 30 mins) then get the Xantia, drive all the way back into Glasgow, transfer my baby seat from the other car, then back to his grans to pick him up at 9pm if I was lucky then drive home. Then the following day I'd have to go for a drive during the day to drop off the car keys at the tyre fitter. What a nightmare!

Part way through discussing these plans the AA man said I was making him feel guilty especially as I had a 2 year old to pick up so decided he would follow me home the 17 miles with his spare on the car after all! =D> Phew. :) He recommended I upgrade my plan to include "Relay" which is apparently what I actually need as that allows for the car and passengers to be recovered anywhere in the UK. For the majority of problems I'm likely to run into and especially a puncture, if I'm within a 20 mile radius of home I'd rather just get my car home and deal with it later while I drive the other car. Funnily enough I got a letter in the mail from the AA a few days later telling me that "Relay" was discounted if I upgraded to it before December... coincidence ? I think not! :lol:

So the Xantia was pressed into service for the daily commute. The next snag was that my preferred garage in Motherwell say they can't order Vredestein, so back to Cooper Brothers, who I hadn't entirely been happy with last time on the wheel balancing front (three attempts to get it near enough) who then told me that there was no stock of the Quatrac 5 in 175/55/15 in the UK at the moment so that they would have to back order one from the factory in Holland. Doh.

It ended up arriving on Thursday the 11th in time to be fitted last Saturday. So I was driving the Xantia to work for about 7 days in which time the petrol cost more than the new tyre. :twisted: I did enjoy driving the Xantia though, it was flawless and boy is it good to have a spare car in case something goes wrong with one as the commute to work including dropping off Joshua and picking him up is almost impossible to do by public transport - we would have been in deep doo doos without the second car... :shock:

I was a bit annoyed at having to replace only one tyre after a year, and worried that the imbalance in tread depth/tyre diameter might be a problem as when I had new tyres on the rear and old ones on the front last year it was causing false triggering of the traction control due to rolling radius mismatches, but it looks like I'll be OK as there are no signs of the traction control misbehaving, and the handling of the car feels normal.

The old tyres have done about 14k miles so far - I measured the tread depth of the remaining old rear tyre and the new tyre and they aren't as different as I thought they would be - the new one is 7.6 mm on the tread wear line near the shoulder, while the old one is 5.3mm. So they have worn 2.3mm in about 14k miles. Does that seem reasonable ? It seems like they should do 25-30k miles at that rate and still have 3mm left. I guess when the other three tyres are due to be replaced I'll probably just fit four to get them back into tread depth balance again, but for now I can get away with replacing only one as the others aren't too worn yet.

The front tyres only have 4.7mm tread depth but they are a smaller 145/65/15 tyre so probably had less tread depth to begin with, and they don't do a lot of work with it being a RWD car. So all back on the road again since Saturday. =D>

Because I had problems with the balancing last time, I got the tyre done first thing on Saturday then came home to fit the wheel and take it for a test drive at motorway speed to check the balancing - despite it bucketing down with the heaviest rain we've had in quite a while during both the wheel fitting and test drive. :lol: All good on the balance front in fact it feels better balanced than before. As much as I enjoyed driving the Xantia I also missed driving the Ion so I'm glad to be back in it again for the daily commute. :)
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Skull wrote: 18 Oct 2018, 18:47 Jaguar's electric engine noise


God that would be irritating.
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Surely a cheaper option :evil:

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DHallworth wrote: 18 Oct 2018, 18:56
Skull wrote: 18 Oct 2018, 18:47 Jaguar's electric engine noise


God that would be irritating.

I believe it can be turned off, but yeah, annoying. I prefer my EV's to be silent thank you very much...there's enough vehicle noise in a city without adding artificial noise... :twisted:

Unfortunately the EU has mandated all EV's from 2019 on have an exterior low speed pedestrian warning sound that must operate when moving below 20 mph. My dreams of quiet cities full of EV's just evaporated in a puff of smoke. :lol:
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We developed the Audible Vehicle Alert System for the I-PACE to ensure the safety of all road users. Our potentially life-saving technology cannot be switched off and as the leading charity for people with sight loss, we are pleased to have the support of Guide Dogs to ensure real people are at the heart of our product testing.
Unfortunately not :(
From July 2019, manufacturers must fit sound generators to new electric and hybrid models so that the vehicles make a noise when they are travelling at low speeds. All existing quiet electric and hybrid vehicles must be retrofitted with this technology by 2021.
Will this affect your Ion as well then?

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Retro-fit :(

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Noticed in London a few weeks ago that some of the buses have beepers and flashing orange lights on... presumably for the same reason.

...it sounds like someone's nicked it and driven off with the car alarm going off. I was only there for a couple of hours, but they were doing my head in...I pity anyone who lives on a bus route where they run all day...
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EVs are far from quiet when on the move though... I saw a Tesler thing oncoming whilst riding my bike yesterday - noisier than a lot of petrol cars... Tyre noise I guess as it was huge and running on rubber more suited to a dumper truck :lol:

It seems that EVs are only silent when moving slowly... But please, no more bloody bleepers :evil: We have plenty enough as it is and for heaven's sake let's please not have any more of those 'strangled frog' bleepers as the supermarket delivery vans seem to have... To anyone with a tad of mechanical sympathy they sound awful...

Not as bad as the synthesised voice announcing a vehicle reversing or turning left/right though...

In my world silence is definitely golden :)
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When I was a kid, a lolly stick or bit of card whacking the spokes was known as 'fitting a flicka'.
I think an updated version may involve a stray length of plastic cable conduit rubbing somewhere.

If EU rules don't specify the exact warning sound for EVs, I foresee a whole aftermarket for Vehicle Noise widgets - inevitably bluetooth enabled. :roll:
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white exec wrote: 19 Oct 2018, 07:47 When I was a kid, a lolly stick or bit of card whacking the spokes was known as 'fitting a flicka'.
I think an updated version may involve a stray length of plastic cable conduit rubbing somewhere.


I had similar yesterday when my bent derailleur was just touching the spokes of the back wheel in bottom gear...

It made a lovely, rhythmic tinkling sound... The other riders commented on how pleasant it was :D

The after-market for EV sounds could be fantastic... Wonder if any enterprising soul will do the sound of a Paxman Valenta engined HST train on full chat :lol:

Or even better, a Deltic...

That would be great... Wonder if those sounds could also be accompanied by a synthetic clagfest too? An audio and visual delight :D 8-) :twisted:
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CitroJim wrote: 19 Oct 2018, 08:25 a synthetic clagfest too?
I'm sure one of these vaping widgets would do... :twisted:
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I can see the next anti motor car campaign coming on, "Ban those damned electric cars, they cause noise pollution."
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DHallworth wrote: 18 Oct 2018, 20:13
From July 2019, manufacturers must fit sound generators to new electric and hybrid models so that the vehicles make a noise when they are travelling at low speeds. All existing quiet electric and hybrid vehicles must be retrofitted with this technology by 2021.
Will this affect your Ion as well then?

This is being discussed over on SpeakEV at the moment - basically nobody including me is aware of any such legislation to force retroactive fitting of noise makers to older silent EV's. That linked article is the only mention of this that I've found so for the moment I'm going to treat it as speculation on the part of the author. It is true that adding it to new cars (with a temporary disable button) will be legislated soon - we've known about that for a while, and many newer EV's already have it. But the retrofit claim is a surprise without any corroboration I've seen yet.

I hope it's not true as retrospectively requiring adding of features to old cars is without precedent as far as I'm aware ? Much more important safety features like airbags, ABS braking, traction control etc were never retroactively forced onto older cars that were already on the road, so I don't see why this should be, especially when the number of old EV's on the road as a percentage of cars is vanishingly small!

I haven't run anyone over yet due to being "silent", and I think the legislation we already have to force it to be added to new cars is totally unnecessary.
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CitroJim wrote: 19 Oct 2018, 07:33 EVs are far from quiet when on the move though... I saw a Tesler thing oncoming whilst riding my bike yesterday - noisier than a lot of petrol cars... Tyre noise I guess as it was huge and running on rubber more suited to a dumper truck :lol:

It seems that EVs are only silent when moving slowly...
You've not heard my Ion yet with it's tiny 145/65/15 and 175/55/15 tyres. :-D At 30mph it makes enough tyre noise to be heard coming, but below about 10mph it is nearly silent from the front as the motor is at the rear. You can hear a slight whine from behind at slow speeds but not at the front. I do definitely have to take care when maneuvering in supermarket parking lots as people don't hear me and aren't aware that I'm waiting to move out of my space either due to no engine noise while stopped in gear. :twisted:
But please, no more bloody bleepers :evil: We have plenty enough as it is and for heaven's sake let's please not have any more of those 'strangled frog' bleepers as the supermarket delivery vans seem to have... To anyone with a tad of mechanical sympathy they sound awful...

Not as bad as the synthesised voice announcing a vehicle reversing or turning left/right though...

In my world silence is definitely golden :)

I'm totally with you Jim. I think the legislated addition of electronic noise makers to EV's is a terrible mistake that is going to end in us having a city full of random sci-fi beeps and bloops instead of the quiet city we could have with just the gentle sound of tyre noise...
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