Heatwave and Gritters
Moderator: RichardW
-
- Posts: 4809
- Joined: 11 Jun 2007, 16:17
- Location: Christchurch, Dorset. UK
- My Cars: 2005 C5restyle 1.6HDI 16v 110hp VTR Estate
2008 C5 X7 1.6HDI VTR+ Saloon - x 231
Heatwave and Gritters
Reading a warning from the MET about the upcoming heatwave. It goes on to state tarmac softens at 27c, and may need a "sunblock" so there are plans to send the gritters out to spread sand.
Also, the rail network warns of tracks possibly buckling too.
Stay safe this week, and carry lots of water if practical.
Also, the rail network warns of tracks possibly buckling too.
Stay safe this week, and carry lots of water if practical.
- white exec
- Moderating Team
- Posts: 7445
- Joined: 21 Dec 2015, 12:46
- Location: Sayalonga, Malaga, Spain
- My Cars: 1996 XM 2.5TD Exclusive hatch RHD
1992 BX19D Millesime hatch LHD
previously 1989 BX19RD, 1998 ZX 1.9D auto, 2001 Xantia 1.8i auto
and lots of Rovers before that: 1935 Ten, 1947 Sixteen, 1960 P5 3-litre, 1966 P6 2000, 1972 P6 2000TC, and 1975 P6B 3500S - x 1752
Re: Heatwave and Gritters
Neither of those things happens here in Spain, despite our occasional temperature highs of 40-45C+.
We don't have a pot-hole problem, either, even in sub-zero winter.
Someone needs to ask some questions...
We don't have a pot-hole problem, either, even in sub-zero winter.
Someone needs to ask some questions...
Chris
-
- Posts: 4809
- Joined: 11 Jun 2007, 16:17
- Location: Christchurch, Dorset. UK
- My Cars: 2005 C5restyle 1.6HDI 16v 110hp VTR Estate
2008 C5 X7 1.6HDI VTR+ Saloon - x 231
Re: Heatwave and Gritters
There's not a lack of questions in this country, Chris, believe me!
- myglaren
- Forum Admin Team
- Posts: 25459
- Joined: 02 Mar 2008, 13:30
- Location: Washington
- My Cars: Mazda 6
Ooops.
Previously:
2009 Honda Civic :(
C5, C5, Xantia, BX, GS, Visa.
R4, R11TXE, R14, R30TX - x 4917
Re: Heatwave and Gritters
Just no answers
- Stickyfinger
- (Donor 2016)
- Posts: 10433
- Joined: 28 Mar 2013, 21:05
- Location: Somset my lovleee
- My Cars: Xantia V6 ACTIVA 3ltr 24v Manual p1
Xm 2.1TD Ph2 Exclusive
AX, little Daffodil
SAXO White Mk1. Sally - x 1289
- Contact:
Re: Heatwave and Gritters
Heat/ The "type" of asphalt we have to use
PotHoles/ constant wet with low-level frost/freezing.
Both/ s**t councils
PotHoles/ constant wet with low-level frost/freezing.
Both/ s**t councils
Alasdair
Activa, the Moose Rider
3x C5x7 Steering racks and counting
Activa, the Moose Rider
3x C5x7 Steering racks and counting
- bobins
- Donor 2023
- Posts: 5732
- Joined: 05 Jul 2012, 18:07
- Location: Midhurst, West Sussex
- My Cars: Kia Sportage
Mazda BT-50
Land Rover SIII SWB
V-F-R800
SL320
MX5 - x 2888
Re: Heatwave and Gritters
There's nothing actually wrong with the type of asphalt used or the way the councils / highways authorities maintain them - it's just that the damned motorists will insist on using the roads once they've been repaired or re-laid
Sadly no longer a C5 owner
- GiveMeABreak
- Forum Admin Team
- Posts: 37323
- Joined: 15 Sep 2015, 19:38
- Location: West Wales
- My Cars: C3 Aircross SUV HDi Flair Peperoncino Red (The Chili Hornet)
C5 X7 2.0 HDi Exclusive Mativoire Beige (The Golden Hornet)
C3 1.6 HDi Exclusive Aluminium Grey (The Silver Hornet)
C5 MK II 2.0 HDi Exclusive Obsidian Black
C5 MK I 2.0 HDi SX Wicked Red
Xantia S2 2.0 HDi SX Hermes Red
C15 Romahome White
XM 2.0 Turbo Prestige Emerald Green Pearlescent
XM 2.0 Turbo Prestige Polar White
XM 2.0 SX Polar White
CX 20 Polar White
GS 1220 Geranium Red
CX 2.4 Prestige C-Matic Nevada Beige
GS 1000 Cedreat Yellow - x 5721
Re: Heatwave and Gritters
Well all the tarmac holding the chippings on the road has started to melt today - so I'm more concerned about treading all that crap into the house and on the car mats!
My OCD will be as high as the temperatures here in tropical Wales.
My OCD will be as high as the temperatures here in tropical Wales.
Please Don't PM Me For Technical Help
Marc
Marc
- white exec
- Moderating Team
- Posts: 7445
- Joined: 21 Dec 2015, 12:46
- Location: Sayalonga, Malaga, Spain
- My Cars: 1996 XM 2.5TD Exclusive hatch RHD
1992 BX19D Millesime hatch LHD
previously 1989 BX19RD, 1998 ZX 1.9D auto, 2001 Xantia 1.8i auto
and lots of Rovers before that: 1935 Ten, 1947 Sixteen, 1960 P5 3-litre, 1966 P6 2000, 1972 P6 2000TC, and 1975 P6B 3500S - x 1752
Re: Heatwave and Gritters
My cynical guess is that the tarmac companies in the UK talk to each other to maintain an on-going supply of sub-standard material, particularly for repair work. This guarantees copious future revenue.
How else to explain the fact that repeated potholes mysteriously disappear as soon as you enter France, Belgium, Germany, Holland, Spain...? It's not that repairs are carried out more often (they're not), nor that the the weather-related factors (rain, frost...) are significantly different.
Maybe just another case of Ripped-off Britain? You would have thought highways authorities and government could have cracked this long-running and hugely expensive scandal. Maybe one for a Select Committee...
Here in Spain, small road surface repairs are tackled in a way that appears to be the same as the UK: digging out to a few cm depth, and in-fill with macadam material, tamped down. Job done quickly, and move on. Difference is, the repairs here last for untold years, despite often very heavy goods traffic.
So what's going on, then?
How else to explain the fact that repeated potholes mysteriously disappear as soon as you enter France, Belgium, Germany, Holland, Spain...? It's not that repairs are carried out more often (they're not), nor that the the weather-related factors (rain, frost...) are significantly different.
Maybe just another case of Ripped-off Britain? You would have thought highways authorities and government could have cracked this long-running and hugely expensive scandal. Maybe one for a Select Committee...
Here in Spain, small road surface repairs are tackled in a way that appears to be the same as the UK: digging out to a few cm depth, and in-fill with macadam material, tamped down. Job done quickly, and move on. Difference is, the repairs here last for untold years, despite often very heavy goods traffic.
So what's going on, then?
Chris
- Michel
- (Donor 2022)
- Posts: 2209
- Joined: 29 May 2017, 13:50
- Location: Nothanks
- My Cars: Some cars and a motorbike
- x 660
Re: Heatwave and Gritters
The simple answer Chris, is that the road repairs and resurfacing here in the UK are very badly and cheaply done. Two or three years ago they resurfaced a road near me and I asked my late father what he thought of the repairs and how it should be done. Given he's made his living out of designing roads and airports around the Gulf for the last 30 years he has a vague.
Cheap and nasty methods of repair is the main problem. Useless resurfacing processes.
Cheap and nasty methods of repair is the main problem. Useless resurfacing processes.
-
- Posts: 1503
- Joined: 26 Feb 2003, 10:52
- Location: Yorkshire
- My Cars: Current:
Volvo V60 D4 180
Previous:
BX16RS (two of),
BX19TZI,
Xantia 2.0i saloon,
Xantia 2.0 Exclusive CT turbo Break,
Peugeot 807 2.0 HDi 110,
Renault Grand Scenic, 2.0 diesel (150bhp)
C5 X7 2.0 HDi 160 which put me off French cars possibly forever - x 16
Re: Heatwave and Gritters
white exec wrote: ↑25 Jun 2018, 21:31
How else to explain the fact that repeated potholes mysteriously disappear as soon as you enter France, Belgium, Germany, Holland, Spain...?
I've driven on some pretty terrible roads in Belgium, and France was always known for it's bad roads (hence the excellent suspension on French cars). As for Spain, do they really get the repetitive freeze/thaw we get often on a daily basis? And I won't even start on the legibility of road markings over there which seem to be done in paint the exact same colour as the road surface.
- white exec
- Moderating Team
- Posts: 7445
- Joined: 21 Dec 2015, 12:46
- Location: Sayalonga, Malaga, Spain
- My Cars: 1996 XM 2.5TD Exclusive hatch RHD
1992 BX19D Millesime hatch LHD
previously 1989 BX19RD, 1998 ZX 1.9D auto, 2001 Xantia 1.8i auto
and lots of Rovers before that: 1935 Ten, 1947 Sixteen, 1960 P5 3-litre, 1966 P6 2000, 1972 P6 2000TC, and 1975 P6B 3500S - x 1752
Re: Heatwave and Gritters
I drive here in Spain extensively, France too, on main, town and rural roads, and don't recognise your description.
And yes, areas of Spain do have extremes of repeated high and low temperatures, and heavy rainfall.
All countries have some roads in a poor state - it's just that the UK seems to have so many, and long-term.
It's the quality of the repairs that I was questioning.
And yes, areas of Spain do have extremes of repeated high and low temperatures, and heavy rainfall.
All countries have some roads in a poor state - it's just that the UK seems to have so many, and long-term.
It's the quality of the repairs that I was questioning.
Chris
- Michel
- (Donor 2022)
- Posts: 2209
- Joined: 29 May 2017, 13:50
- Location: Nothanks
- My Cars: Some cars and a motorbike
- x 660
Re: Heatwave and Gritters
white exec wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 07:25 I drive here in Spain extensively, France too, on main, town and rural roads, and don't recognise your description..
I must agree. Driving to the South coast of France is a pleasure. The roads are great. Once there, all the local roads are great too. l also found the same in Andorra and Spain, though I only drove as far south as Valencia.
Oddly, the roads in Dieppe were terrible. Presumably this is to get. Brits used to driving in the UK again when they get off the ferry in Newhaven. I was shocked at the state of the roads here when we got back from France the first time.
- bobins
- Donor 2023
- Posts: 5732
- Joined: 05 Jul 2012, 18:07
- Location: Midhurst, West Sussex
- My Cars: Kia Sportage
Mazda BT-50
Land Rover SIII SWB
V-F-R800
SL320
MX5 - x 2888
Re: Heatwave and Gritters
white exec wrote: ↑25 Jun 2018, 21:31
How else to explain the fact that repeated potholes mysteriously disappear as soon as you enter France, Belgium, Germany, Holland, Spain...? It's not that repairs are carried out more often (they're not), nor that the the weather-related factors (rain, frost...) are significantly different.
So what's going on, then?
I've been thinking about this (always a dangerous thing for me to do) - when you look at all the different metrics, France, Belgium, Germany, Holland, and Spain all have worse death rates on their roads. I wonder if part of the UK 'good' death rate is because - for any £ spent on UK roads - a higher proportion is spent on safety improvements and a lower proportion is spent on quality repairs and top coating compared to other countries who put a higher value on good road surfaces and a lower value of safety improvements ? I'm well aware of the stereotypical driving characteristics associated with certain countries i.e. some of them are reckoned to drive like tw@ts and so will skew the death rates , but actual safe design of roads and constant safety improvements has to account for a certain amount of casualty reduction ????
Sadly no longer a C5 owner
- GiveMeABreak
- Forum Admin Team
- Posts: 37323
- Joined: 15 Sep 2015, 19:38
- Location: West Wales
- My Cars: C3 Aircross SUV HDi Flair Peperoncino Red (The Chili Hornet)
C5 X7 2.0 HDi Exclusive Mativoire Beige (The Golden Hornet)
C3 1.6 HDi Exclusive Aluminium Grey (The Silver Hornet)
C5 MK II 2.0 HDi Exclusive Obsidian Black
C5 MK I 2.0 HDi SX Wicked Red
Xantia S2 2.0 HDi SX Hermes Red
C15 Romahome White
XM 2.0 Turbo Prestige Emerald Green Pearlescent
XM 2.0 Turbo Prestige Polar White
XM 2.0 SX Polar White
CX 20 Polar White
GS 1220 Geranium Red
CX 2.4 Prestige C-Matic Nevada Beige
GS 1000 Cedreat Yellow - x 5721
Re: Heatwave and Gritters
Lower fatal death rates here because you simply can't go fast on the atrocious UK roads without the risk of going over a pothole and ending up in a Flintstone mobile.
Please Don't PM Me For Technical Help
Marc
Marc
- EDC5
- (Donor 2020)
- Posts: 1216
- Joined: 01 Jul 2017, 21:48
- Location: N. Wales
- My Cars: Citroen C5 RHR AM6
- x 120
Re: Heatwave and Gritters
GiveMeABreak wrote: ↑27 Jun 2018, 17:23 Lower fatal death rates here because you simply can't go fast on the atrocious UK roads without the risk of going over a pothole and ending up in a Flintstone mobile.
Agreed! There's a very good reason why 'everyone' wants a SUV style car these days. A bit more ground clearance and hopefully a slightly more supple ride to cope with the horrendous state of the roads.
Sounds a bit daft but if I was ever tempted to go into local politics I would stand on a 'Pothole First' basis; I'm sure it would be a popular policy