I have just purchased the above vehicle, when running on tick over, it seems to be running on three cylinders, but when actually driving, the car is very smooth, and quiet.
Also I am also having difficulties in selecting reverse gear very difficult when engine running, but turn the engine off select reverse restart the engine and it works fine, also I can feel vibrations through the clutch pedal. I just tried a Lexia 3 but the blessed thing could not recognise my car, my friends computer showed up two faults one on the ESP/ASR. and one on the pre-heater I think the glow plug relay is not working is there anyone that could throw some light on these problems, it will probably stop me cutting my wrists, in total anguish.
Hi pgrant, firstly welcome.
Secondly, what type of c5 hdi is it? (They came in a few different flavours). Series 1 90bhp and 110bhp, facelift etc. Might make a difference. Also how many miles?
Clutch judder and problems selecting reverse could be connected, but not necessarily. For the reverse problem, I would start with basics and check gearbox oil level (and oil condition). Is the gear shift itself stiff at all, or moves freely?
When do you feel the clutch judder? When changing gear on the move? When stationary? When pulling away? Any signs of oil leak under the bell housing?
As for diagnosis by Lexia... not all lexias are created equal I'm afraid (they are plenty of cheap ones out there that don't work properly/with all cars) also normally on the copy Lexia's, the auto identify the car option, doesn't work.
Where are you? Another member with known working lexia maybe nearby.
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ex Xantia 2.0HDi SX
ex Xantia 2.0HDi LX
ex C5 2.0HDi VTR
ex C5 2.0HDi VTR
ex C5 2.2HDi VTX+
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Hi Wurlycorner,
Thank you for your speedy reply, the Citroen C5 is the 138 bhp version with 6 speed gearbox, I can get all gears smoothly with the engine not running, but reverse is very difficult, and the other gears are a bit notchy when the engine is running, mileage on clock states 98500, but on Lexia 3 when I selected C5 X7 which really did not show me anything but the mileage which was 158000, no clutch judder, I will check the gearbox oil level this week, only problem pulling away is that the engine sounds rough and needs a lot of revs, but after pulling away the car performs really well, very smooth and picks up well. As to the Lexia I will be returning it as it definitely does not work. I am very worried that it is the DMF as I can constantly feel a judder through the clutch pedal, no noise.
pgrant5 wrote:mileage on clock states 98500, but on Lexia 3 when I selected C5 X7 which really did not show me anything but the mileage which was 158000,
The vehicle distance is stored as kilometres. It's necessary to convert miles to kilometres when inputting "mileage" vehicle details.
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pgrant5 wrote:Hi Wurlycorner,
Thank you for your speedy reply, the Citroen C5 is the 138 bhp version with 6 speed gearbox, I can get all gears smoothly with the engine not running, but reverse is very difficult, and the other gears are a bit notchy when the engine is running, mileage on clock states 98500, but on Lexia 3 when I selected C5 X7 which really did not show me anything but the mileage which was 158000, no clutch judder, I will check the gearbox oil level this week, only problem pulling away is that the engine sounds rough and needs a lot of revs, but after pulling away the car performs really well, very smooth and picks up well. As to the Lexia I will be returning it as it definitely does not work. I am very worried that it is the DMF as I can constantly feel a judder through the clutch pedal, no noise.
Kind Regards
Peter
Peter - your profile says a 2005 C5 and in your post you say the C5 X7 - this would not be a C5 X7 if it is a 2005 model. You say you selected C5 X7 with the Lexia, but it should be the C5 II if we are talking about the same vehicle. I'll assume your Lexia / Diagbox is not auto selecting your vehicle then?
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The Lexia would not auto select, it showed the VIN number, and when I selected C5, I was then asked for the RPO number which I entered, then nothing happened, I selected the X7 out of desperation, also to see if the software was working, did not prove anything really, I have now returned the Lexia as it was not working correctly, should be checking the Gearbox oil tomorrow.
Your C5 will be the C5 II on the Lexia selection. My Lexia certainly doesn't autoselect. There's also a C5 and C5 (X7) option - neither of which will be correct even if you put the correct RPO number in.
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Inside every old person is a young person wondering what the hell happened.
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Quick update, changed the gearbox oil as suggested using Lodexol FR-X from Morris Lubricants who are a small family run company that I have used for years. First time I've been under a car in thirty years, not too bad as I am disabled needed help getting out from under the car though. Question the amount of gearbox oil I drained was approximately 2.5 litres, but the handbook states 1.9 litres, I Obviously do not want to over fill it, how can find out the correct amount.
Gear change felt a lot better, but still difficult selecting reverse, I then noticed when my wife was trying to select gears, when it was in 1st gear with the clutch pedal down the car was trying to drive forward, hence the feeling that it was running on 3 cylinders, after checking on the forum, all suggestions led me to try bleeding the clutch, as I can't bend my poor wife had to do it, unfortunately the bleed nipple was complete rounded off, so ordered a new clutch slave cylinder.
My poor wife managed to fit it with no problems, until I put the clutch pedal down, then the hydraulic seal was leaking, ordered new one should be here Wednesday, I suspect that there was a small leak here previously as the lower bolt was very rusty.
Many thanks for all your help and advice.
I would SERIOUSLY consider checking that oil is 100% compatible with Total BV75W80, which is the oil that Citroen recommend for their manual gearboxes (as far as I am aware, but this may have changed with the facelift). If you use the wrong oil the gearbox may well express its' displeasure by failing in short order. GSF do Total BV 75W80 oil at a better price than the dealerships.
If your gearbox is the same as mine (I have a 2004 C5 2.0HDi estate, manual box) the Haynes BoL does show where the level plug is (on the end of the gearbox, low down, large headed bolt). I know that you can get the sealing washers from Citroen (I did a few months ago) for the two plug bolts (and they are the same size as each other, but larger than that of the sump plug). With the car on a level surface, and with the level plug out, you can fill up the gearbox carefully (I have found that using either the reverse switch hole or the breather hole works well), with a container to catch any overflow. I have used an accurate measuring jug and a good funnel with a flexible neck to do this. Do NOT assume that a 1L oil container has got 1L in it (it normally has a little more).
Good luck getting the clutch sorted out, and then, happy motoring.
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ex Xantia 2.0HDi SX
ex Xantia 2.0HDi LX
ex C5 2.0HDi VTR
ex C5 2.0HDi VTR
ex C5 2.2HDi VTX+
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Thank you for your concern, I checked with the company, and Lodexol FRX is a fully synthetic EP75/80 equivalent here is the blurb Lodexol FR-X is a high performance, extreme pressure (EP) gear oil, which has excellent cold start fluidity contributing to the overall fuel savings for the vehicle. It also has exceptional high temperature stability, ensuring maximum gear set protection, even under the most arduous operating conditions (high speed/high load). Lodexol FR-X will also protect against rust and corrosion. I will try your method and fill through the breather hole, carefully until it overflows. Incidentally I have a Plymouth Voyager last oil change in 2001 and the Morris Oil I used the is still clean.
Just make sure it overflows through the level check hole at the side behind the passenger side front wheel, NOT through the breather - if it does that, you've put way too much in
Although my C5 was an earlier one with the filler on the side I'm sure I've read that it was deleted on the Mk2's.
The method you're supposed to use is to drain the oil out, measure it and then refill through the breather hole (or the reversing switch hole I suppose) with a measured amount. Obviously you need the inside of the box to have drained as much as possible in order to not overfill.
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