xantia 1.9td cutting out

[quintet]

I have a strange issue with my car & wondered if anyone has come across this before,

In the morning car starts perfectly, i drive approx 100 - 300 meters & the engine dies, it starts up again after a few attempts at cranking it over & its fine for the rest of the day (although it can run a bit unevenly for a while). Park the car up at work for approx' 10 hours, get in - drive home, not a hint of cutting out, come to it next day having being parked up for approx 13 hours & it cuts out again.

To me it feels like fuel starvation, like its running on the fuel in the lines which then runs out. The primer bulb feels solid after its cut out, The fuel filter was only 4 months old but has been changed along with the seal that sits under the filter housing. Yesterday morning the car nearly cut out again but coasting it & gently feathering the throttle kept it going...just! but doing that in rush hour traffic just isnt feasible.

The car has had a dose of redex & is now running on shell's 'good stuff' diesel but it's made 0 difference. Im guessing the fault lies somewhere between the injection pump (bosch) the injectors & the fuel filter, if i leave it ticking over in the morning it seems to be ok (only tried this once & for a short period) but when fuel is demanded it seems to develop this fault. Quite why the car doesnt do the same fault after having been sat outside work for nearly the same amount of time as its sat outside my home i dont know but because it doesnt do this is suspect it is not an air leak especially as it stars perfectly all the time.

A few other bits of info, leaks off pipes are about 2.5yrs old, does not have a key pad, the fault pretty much occurred overnight & has not had any other work done on it recently. The waxstat cable is taught when cold but as the fault occurs after only 2-4 mins of driving i suspect it'll still be taught then. Any advice would be much appreciated as im rather skint & cannot get a few days off work to fix this, i may have to go & speak to my bank manager.... .

[isisalar]

This sounds like the little white plastic gizmo on the outside of the fuel filter housing, something to do with cold starting. There's an o ring which deteriorates and allows air into the housing. As a temporary fix I used blue tack moulded over and apart from a periodic massage when it failed it kept the old girl going for about a year before the tin worm finally did for her.
If you pump the bulb hard you'll probably see some diesel ouzing out.

[quintet]

Im definitely going to give that a try, i didnt even know that odd little white 'gizmo' was there till i went to look for it & thats despite having had the housing out only a few days ago, needs a good clean first though as its covered in years of oil & crud, gonna zoom round to halfords (less its inevitable breakdown.....) for some brake cleaner & hopefully something to suitable cover said 'gizmo'...shall report back...probably tomorrow eve

Quick update, despite having sat outside my home for longer than normal without being used my car decided today it was going to run perfectly! however i did run the engine at about 2300rpm for about 3 mins before setting off and if it's a temperature related issue...well the weather is pretty warm this afternoon.... however this little white 'gizmo' on the fuel filter is most definitely leaking fuel (witnessed when pumping the primer) and so its been cleaned up & is now covered in blu-tack...fingers crossed for tomorrow morning to see if this cures the fault but clearly this leak needs sorting anyway. One other thing to note...despite the engine now being hot the waxstat cable is still taught & doesnt appear to have moved one bit.

[quintet]

quick update on this issue...after having covered the leaky 'cold start gizmo' on the fuel filter housing my car did not cut out the following morning, a new fuel filter housing is on order & will be fitted tomorrow with the result on the issue being posted shortly afterwards (a day or two after testing).

[aerodynamica]

This is the same thing that I had with my old 1.9TD and it certainly was the little white plastic thingy on the lower side of the filter housing. The main stealer could only order the housing cap/cover (?) and I found the full housing from another source but it didn't have the top cap or the little plastic plugs. I ended up bypassing the filter housing and used a 8-10mm adapter to join the 10mm pipe to the filter straight to the 8mm pipe from the filter to the diesel pump. I just fitted a clear in-line filter that I changed every few months. This car still has this bodge to this day!! 3 years with it and it runs better than ever (with its new owner) So to bypass the filter is also an option if the new parts ordered don't work out.

[quintet]

^ I would say that this is definitely the same fault, i have fitted a new 'filter bowl' (as its known) today but it is yet to be tested in the morning when the fault surfaces, i shall report back tomorrow evening on the fitment of this part.


(would post more info right now but just found out a former colleague has passed away )

[Old-Guy]

If you can't get a new filter bowl you could blank-off the white gizmo on the old one with Araldite Rapid. Wash the filter bowl with petrol (to remove the diesel) and then with water and detergent, then cover the offending white gizmo with Araldite Rapid. I ran the Green Lady for over 2 years with the fuel outlet pipe 'welded' with Araldite Rapid back onto the filter housing lid after I snapped it off while replacing the cold-start thermostat.

[quintet]

After having fitted & tested the fuel filter housing (aka filter bowl) by basically using my car it is now running normally again & life is back to normal. It was definitely the cold start device that was causing the problem. Just for the record these fuel filter housings are still available from the main dealers & the one i frequent actually had it in stock, the part number on my receipt is p191141 although please do bear in mind this filter housing may not be suitable for all 1.9 diesel engined citroens/peugeots of this age & its not particularly cheap at 90 odd quid (JUST for the bowl, no filter, top cover etc is included although the base seal is) but my car is now sorted & im happy with that

Thanks to all that offered advice saved me a fortune as i thought i was looking at having to buy & fit a new fuel pump....which clearly wouldn't have fixed the problem & i would have had to entrust it to someone else to fit it due to lack of free time

[chinkostu]

that part number comes back with

Information about the search

1 document(s) found for BERLINGO VP
1 document(s) found for BERLINGO VU
1 document(s) found for BX
1 document(s) found for C15
1 document(s) found for DISPATCH I & II
2 document(s) found for SYNERGIE
2 document(s) found for XANTIA
1 document(s) found for XANTIA II
1 document(s) found for XM II
1 document(s) found for XSARA
1 document(s) found for ZX


so seems like a standard fit for the XUD thankfully! is probably why it's still available to be fair as it was used across pretty much the entire range!

they swapped to a horrible clip on lid with the DW8 that has a habit of breaking (ask me how i know....) and the primer pump changed too. so chances are anything up to 2000 with an XUD engine will use the same assembly.

[Zelandeth]

Hmm...need to look at that myself, noticed on Sunday that I can see bubbles in the filter to pump feed, though no starting/running issues as a result yet. Handy that they made that pipe clear, makes fault finding easier!