Xantia V6 broken exhaust (update: and rough low rpm running)

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Re: Xantia V6 broken exhaust (update: and rough low rpm runn

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Simon, don't give up :-D This latest line of enquiry is incredibly interesting so carry on and don't listen to Alex...

I'm sure the car will MOT no problem at all and do a few more years..

I've lost confidence in bangeromics myself.

Get yourself a little C1 for daily duties, keep the V6 as a toy and continue to search for the problem... That's my advice...
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How hard is it to get the cam covers off to check the clearances? There might be time at the weekend, after we've changed a 1.6 HDi cambelt, and welded the sill :lol:
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CitroJim wrote:Simon, don't give up :-D This latest line of enquiry is incredibly interesting so carry on and don't listen to Alex...

I'm sure the car will MOT no problem at all and do a few more years..

I've lost confidence in bangeromics myself.

Get yourself a little C1 for daily duties, keep the V6 as a toy and continue to search for the problem... That's my advice...
Seriously considering getting a little runabout like a C1 after we move Jim, to use to get to work (probably just a few miles to the nearest train station, not all the way into the City) and do milk runs etc. I'm also trying to sell it to my gf as something that she can learn to drive in that can be ostensibly "her" car even though we would both drive it. :twisted:

Trying to solve the mystery is incredibly interesting but also frustrated by my lack of facilities. (and lack of abilities!) If I had a spare car and a well equipped garage and the alternative was to get rid of the car I'd be tempted to pull off the heads and see what the hell is going on just for my own satisfaction - especially if I was stripping it down for parts anyway.

At the moment though its just a case of too bad if it isn't running properly, squeeze through the MOT [-o< and worry about it later if at all. After all I do want a car that works that I can enjoy driving. I'm tempted to get another V6 if I can find one that has had the gearbox overhauled and not done massive mileage since then. (Obviously the engine would have to be running properly, and no MOT failing rust as I refuse to deal with significant rust issues)

Apart from possible emissions failure and the rust hole in the sill, there is a decent LHM leak under the engine bay somewhere that is going to draw attention. I think it may just be the top of the pressure regulator that has dribbled down the regulator and then run along a conduit that passes by it, ending in a loop of hose where it seems to be pooling. There is enough oil in the area that I can't be sure where it came from. Does anyone know a good degreaser I could spray in the area to clean it up so I can identify the source ? It's too cramped in there to manually clean it all up with a rag.
RichardW wrote:How hard is it to get the cam covers off to check the clearances? There might be time at the weekend, after we've changed a 1.6 HDi cambelt, and welded the sill :lol:
I like your fortitude (and sense of humour :lol: ) Richard, but there's no way I'd be attempting that on Saturday on top of what else we have planned. :lol: The front bank I think you can get the top cam covers off easily but I believe the cam cover bolts are also the camshaft bearing cap bolts ?? If they are they would need to be torqued properly and I don't have a small enough torque wrench. (They're only 8mm hex!) All you would be able to do though is try pressing the cam buckets down to see if the tappets have high leakage. The rear bank requires all the upper inlet manifold out.

Don't worry, we won't be doing that - chances are the cam covers would start leaking a lot more if we tampered with them anyway and need proper resealing. I have no intention of taking the cam covers off before the MOT, and probably not even then. Lets get your car sorted out this weekend. :-D
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This latest line of enquiry is incredibly interesting so carry on and don't listen to Alex.
Fitting a roof rack you mean? I suppose a story could be spun out of it with aerodynamics and noise, mpg. OH gawd please no! :lol: :lol:
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lexi wrote:
This latest line of enquiry is incredibly interesting so carry on and don't listen to Alex.
Fitting a roof rack you mean? I suppose a story could be spun out of it with aerodynamics and noise, mpg. OH gawd please no! :lol: :lol:
There would obviously be an aerodynamic disturbance caused by the roof rack. This would alter the angle of the car to a slight nose-up position, and at certain speeds (or engine speeds, the scope will be needed to determine which) the angle of the air intake will change, causing disrupted airflow over the sensor resulting in a lack of power. Sometimes.
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lexi wrote:
This latest line of enquiry is incredibly interesting so carry on and don't listen to Alex.
Fitting a roof rack you mean? I suppose a story could be spun out of it with aerodynamics and noise, mpg. OH gawd please no! :lol: :lol:
That's not what I meant :lol: :lol: :lol:
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So I had the oil cap off today to peek through the hole to get a sense of how the cams/tappets are laid out and I happened to wave the oil cap near my nose while I was looking at it and smelt the unmistakable smell of petrol...

I then smelt close to the oil filler cap hole in the tappet cover and the smell of petrol is very strong. :( Bear in mind that it has just had a fresh oil change a couple of weeks ago, so if the oil is fuel contaminated it has either happened very quickly or it was so bad before the oil change that some contamination is still left.

Anyone care to speculate on the cause of this and whether its related to the problems I've been seeing ? I have a few ideas of what it might be and they're all bad, with most of them being terminal as far as me ever being able to fix it goes. :(
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Mine stinks too. Don't worry about it.
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I thought yours went to the glue factory ? :lol:
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We'd have to smell to be sure Simon but as Mike says. oil soon smells a bit rotten...

A real stink of petrol in the oil is normally because the mixture is massively over-rich and bore wash is occurring. You'd know immediately if the thing was running rich as you'd smell at at the exhaust and the fuel consumption would be rubbish.

If that's the case the bore was will soon wear the engine enough for it to start burning oil and then you'd see blue smooke as well as black!

A little worse and one day the whole engine will go kaboom in an exciting way due to all the accumulated petrol in the sum igniting. It happens!

I suppose if that happens then your troubles are over :lol:

Seriously though, I'm sure as Mike says it's just the normal engine oil smell. Get Richard to have a sniff/check.
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It would if it hadn't been in bits all over the drive all week and I wasn't recovering from a hangover for 3 days.

I've actually put it all back together this afternoon and will use it for work tomorrow. I'd like it if it all worked! My utter hatred if wiring (because of poor colour vision) is a barrier though.

I went and test drove a C1 too. Very nice little car...
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northern_mike wrote: I went and test drove a C1 too. Very nice little car...
You may find their charms hard to resist Mike :wink:

I really hope yu can sort the wiring issues out on the V5. They really are lovely when they work properly... What were you doing to it today?
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CitroJim wrote:
northern_mike wrote: I went and test drove a C1 too. Very nice little car...
You may find their charms hard to resist Mike :wink:

I really hope you can sort the wiring issues out on the V5. They really are lovely when they work properly... What were you doing to it today?
Colour vision is not a problem with Citroen wiring. They're all pink... Or green :roll:
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CitroJim wrote:
northern_mike wrote: I went and test drove a C1 too. Very nice little car...
You may find their charms hard to resist Mike :wink:

I really hope yu can sort the wiring issues out on the V5. They really are lovely when they work properly... What were you doing to it today?
I was only putting back together what I'd taken apart last week - HVAC tube behind the glovebox, glovebox, steering column bits and bobs, swapping a knackered indicator and having a poke around the back of the fusebox to confirm there really is no power to the items that aren't working, or the fuses for them at least.
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Petrol tends to burn off on running.Slight vapour on blowby with rings and valves. Don't burn off with a diesel much and that is another cause of diesel oil sumps needing changed more, apart from sludge and the horrible nasty diesel process itself.

I can smell that on my Nissan 3.5 V6 Engine.........and that is minted.
Why were you waving an oil cap in front of your nose?...........those neighbours are making a list you know :lol:
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