Engine swap so clutch gearbox shenanigans...

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andmcit
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Engine swap so clutch gearbox shenanigans...

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Can some kind soul run through for me again what the deal is with
sorting this as I don't fancy any issues/breakages!

How do you make a disconnection of the slave where it is mounted
onto the clutch selector at the gearbox end - does it just press in
and turn to disconnect it off?

Will the thrust bearing remain on the pressure plate when splitting the
gearbox off?

Refitting - this is the bit I'm dreading and would love as much info on
as possible. I recall reading there's a knack to swiveling the selector lever
with the thrust bearing engaged and attached onto it through a gearbox
aperture before it gets mated to the pressure plate.

It all seems a bit hit or miss...

and which fluid is the pukka stuff - where would I find some? GSF ECP?
What quantity is needed!? :?

Can anyone help me make a clearer idea before I start.
Think I'll need to take as many piccies as possible to illustrate how this
works compared to the more conventional clutches I've worked on many
times before!

Andrew
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Re: Engine swap so clutch gearbox shenanigans...

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andmcit wrote: I recall there's a knack to swiveling the selector lever with the
thrust bearing attached onto the pressure plate through a gearbox aperture.
It all seems a bit hit or miss...

can anyone help me make a clearer idea before I start.
Think I'll need to take as many piccies as possible to illustrate how this
works compared to the more convention clutches I've worked on many
times before!


Andrew
That would be excellent Andrew, just the ticket for the "How To" section.
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In my line of work a picture does speak a 1000 words and significantly helps
to demystify unfamiliar features/aspects etc! I haven't been able to draw any
results with the site search engine although I do recall Gareth took some handy
pictures during his turbo upgrade.

Andrew
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Andrew,

Give me a while to recover from a horrendous day and I'll give you all the info you need...

I'm sunburned and exhausted after helping out our majorettes with a carnival parade in wellingborough...

Not fit enough to do it right now...

Be back soon...

:zzz: :zzz:
Jim

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Andrew,

First off, Gareth's experiences here will help enormously...

Fundamentally, you don't want to disturb the clutch hydraulics. Carefully remove the slave cylinder by pushing it in a little and rotating anti-clockwise to release it from its bayonets. Wriggle it out and tie it up and out of the way. before doing so, put a block under the clutch pedal so that there is no risk of the pedal being operated and shooting the piston out of the slave cylinder. The pushrod will stay put and it's not as risky as has been rumoured in the past. Under no circumstances try to disconnect the hydraulic parts of the clutch. Bleeding is possible but it's a horror of a job.

Before attempting, remove the LHM reservoir, ABS block and battery tray to give plenty of access.

The 'box will split off the engine easily and you'll then see the release bearing stays very firmly attached to the clutch diaphragm spring. It cannot be reused nor can the 'box be mated back again with the bearing in place.

Refitting involves a new clutch and when new the release bearing is separate and not attached to the clutch diaphragm spring. The bearing has a special "C" clip on it and this has to be engaged with the clutch diaphragm spring AFTER the gearbox is back in place. The design is such that although once home the bearing is almost impossible to remove, fitting it is easy.

To refit the 'box, attach the new release bearing to the clutch operating arm forks and offer the 'box up in the conventional way, taking care not to cause the gearbox input shaft to bear any weight and being sure the clutch driven plate is properly aligned and central. Slide the 'box fully home and tighten the bell-housing bolts. Now to engage the release bearing. use a hooked tool through the slave cylinder hole to grab hold of the operating arm and pull the tool toward you with a sharp tug. This'll cause the bearing to snap into the diaphragm spring with a small snick. You can tell everything is home properly as most of any fore and aft play on the arm will have disappeared. The bearing can also be engaged by pushing the arm from the starter motor cutout. It achieves the same result.

Take care here as you only have one go at this job. Once the bearing is engaged, that's it, game over. Well not strictly as the bearing can be removed but it is a devil's own job.

Once all is back reassembled and nearly complete, the clutch slave can be refitted. It is VITAL that the pushrod rests on the depression on the end of the operating arm and does not drift off to one side. Use the remains of the original tripod on the slave cylinder to ensure the pushrod remains fully parallel to the body of the cylinder and there is no danger of it dropping out of parallel.

This picture shows the end of the arm looking down the slave cylinder hole.

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And this picture shows the slabve cylinder ready for refitting with the pushrod securely held parallel with the remains of the original tripod. The tripod was there when new to do this and to prevent the pushrod falling out in transit.

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If it does go horribly wrong with the slave, it can be sorted but it's a nasty job. keep the pushrod parallel and take care and no worries.

This is a diagram of the clutch:

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And finally, this is the special tool for engaging the release bearing:

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But I use this:

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Hope that helps Andrew. Only skimmed the surface here. Any more questions, fire away...
Jim

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