What not to do to a diesel

This is the Forum for all your Citroen Technical Questions, Problems or Advice.
colinxm
Posts: 79
Joined: 12 Apr 2009, 19:33

Unread post by colinxm »

Hi Mike, I think you've missunderstood my question but after reading what you wrote last I now understand what you meant about the accelerator arm positioning being important (if you understand what I mean :wink: ). I don't wish to change anything really, 'as things were' will do just fine for me, wish I'd have marked things up better - doh ! :oops:

Jim, many thanks for the pdf, very much appreciated :D

Right, the pump is on the dining table and I'm armed with a big set of tools and several cold beers, watch this space !

Cheers, Colin.P
1995 Cit XM 2,1 TD Silver Estate
2004 Pug 307 SW
1989 Pug 205 Cabriolet
1998 Ford Puma
1979 Triumph TR7
Geoff Lebowski
Posts: 114
Joined: 10 Nov 2008, 20:31

Unread post by Geoff Lebowski »

Cold beers! Uh oh! :P
User avatar
CitroJim
A very naughty boy
Posts: 54549
Joined: 30 Apr 2005, 23:33
x 8058

Unread post by CitroJim »

colinxm wrote: and several cold beers, watch this space !
Mind you don't get any in the pump Colin :lol: :lol:

All the best for a fully successful rebuild this time [-o<
Jim

A bit of a Citroen AX fan...
MikeT
Posts: 4808
Joined: 11 Jun 2007, 16:17
x 232

Unread post by MikeT »

colinxm wrote:Hi Mike, I think you've missunderstood my question but after reading what you wrote last I now understand what you meant about the accelerator arm positioning being important
Sorry :oops: Would you mind rephrasing the question? But good to know I'm making some sense.
colinxm
Posts: 79
Joined: 12 Apr 2009, 19:33

Unread post by colinxm »

Thanks Gents, the deed is done ! I only drank one beer, didn't spill any and don't have any bits left over from the rebuild :D

On a more negative note. I didn't find anything obviously amiss either so I'll probably be in the same boat when I refit the pump tomorrow...

Wish me luck, Colin.P
1995 Cit XM 2,1 TD Silver Estate
2004 Pug 307 SW
1989 Pug 205 Cabriolet
1998 Ford Puma
1979 Triumph TR7
colinxm
Posts: 79
Joined: 12 Apr 2009, 19:33

Unread post by colinxm »

It works ! :D ticks over nicely and revs up just as it should. a little tinkering with the fuelling screw and I think all should be well, this was how it looked last night:

Image
Good job Mrs.P was out :D still don't know what was wrong with it before though...

Now for the bad news... the engine isn't quite right and there's a metalic hammering sound from the valves area, further inspection revealed:

Image

Looks as if I didn't get away with introducing the valves and pistons after all, thankfully it's only one that's broken and it's a relatively easy job to replace.

Thanks once again to MikeT, Jim and Geoff for all your help and support, you're all wonderful human beings :D

Best wishes, Colin.P
1995 Cit XM 2,1 TD Silver Estate
2004 Pug 307 SW
1989 Pug 205 Cabriolet
1998 Ford Puma
1979 Triumph TR7
MikeT
Posts: 4808
Joined: 11 Jun 2007, 16:17
x 232

Unread post by MikeT »

Thanks for the feedback Colin and am really pleased you cured the pump fault - any idea what it was?

But sad news about the engine - to a degree as it could have been worse. Seems like you're on the way to getting the car back on the road at minimal cost other than time.
colinxm
Posts: 79
Joined: 12 Apr 2009, 19:33

Unread post by colinxm »

Hi Mike, Sadly I haven't a clue what was wrong, I rebuilt it exactly as I had done before as this corresponded with the photo's I took as I dismantled it the first time around. I did introduce each component and the housing to a good blast of compressed air so perhaps this dislodged something that I'd missed before other than that I haven't a clue :?

I've found a spare rocker finger from out of the shed so I'll atack the engine again tomorrow after work then I can give it a run and see how the pump performs.

Cheers Colin.P
1995 Cit XM 2,1 TD Silver Estate
2004 Pug 307 SW
1989 Pug 205 Cabriolet
1998 Ford Puma
1979 Triumph TR7
Geoff Lebowski
Posts: 114
Joined: 10 Nov 2008, 20:31

Unread post by Geoff Lebowski »

Excellent news! All the more frustrating to find you put the pump back together perfectly to begin with!
User avatar
CitroJim
A very naughty boy
Posts: 54549
Joined: 30 Apr 2005, 23:33
x 8058

Unread post by CitroJim »

Colin, that is brilliant news \:D/ =D> Absolutely delighted :D

Shame about the rocker but at least it's not the camshaft or a bearing cap. Good old 2.1TDs, they're tough old birds really.

I'm smiling here...
Jim

A bit of a Citroen AX fan...
colinxm
Posts: 79
Joined: 12 Apr 2009, 19:33

Unread post by colinxm »

Geoff, thanks for that, can't promise that I actually did put it back the same as last time but I'm pretty sure I did - just one of those things, I've sure learned alot about how these pumps actually work though so it was worth it for that :D

Jim,thanks, I'm smiling too :D you're right of course, there's alot to be said for these older engine designs - almost bomb proof (good job too !)

Best wishes Colin.P
1995 Cit XM 2,1 TD Silver Estate
2004 Pug 307 SW
1989 Pug 205 Cabriolet
1998 Ford Puma
1979 Triumph TR7
Geoff Lebowski
Posts: 114
Joined: 10 Nov 2008, 20:31

Unread post by Geoff Lebowski »

I learnt a lot too. In fact I owe a a lot to Jim as it was his website that inspired me to pull a pump apart and a BE3 gearbox! Jim has also been on the end of the email many times offering help and support and indeed parts!

It's amazing what you can learn from doing these things. When I 1st saw the Bosch strip/rebuild on a VW forum I thought 'no way, that's too much for me, I'll mess that right up' but with the pdf file Jim sent you and actually taking a pump apart, it's amazing what you can learn. Not that I could ever come close to designing the thing but it's a very clever bit of engineering.

When I think of internal combustion, if some one had said to me "you know, if you can make petrol and air explode, it'll expand the air/gasses and push a piston and make things move" and "if you make it do it 4000 times a minute (60+ times per second!) I'd of said forget it, never work!

Then you think of all the systems and sub-systems that go along with cars these days - it's really an art of engineering. On that note, my Dad has just bought a 2nd hand C5 Estate (latest marque) with the hydropneumatic suspension. I'll have to twist his arm for a drive! :lol: fingers crossed!
colinxm
Posts: 79
Joined: 12 Apr 2009, 19:33

Unread post by colinxm »

Today I replaced the broken rocker finger, changed the engine oil and took the xm out for a test drive. It was a bit too smoky so a little adjustment of the fueling screw was made and the car now goes a treat and is totally leak free, I was so pleased I even gave it a wash :D

That sorted I now need to find out why the passenger side (LH drive car) floor carpet in my wife's Pug 307 is wet - should be a doddle after the Bosch :lol:

Colin.P
1995 Cit XM 2,1 TD Silver Estate
2004 Pug 307 SW
1989 Pug 205 Cabriolet
1998 Ford Puma
1979 Triumph TR7
MikeT
Posts: 4808
Joined: 11 Jun 2007, 16:17
x 232

Unread post by MikeT »

colinxm wrote:Hello again Gents, I managed to get to poke around with the pump a bit today :) I removed the LDA and pin/diaphragm, the fuelling pin was nowhere to be seen but duly popped into sight when I operated the accelerator, I tried this several times proving that this is ok. I then pulled off the whole top,
I know I'm slow. But while grinding away at my armour today, my mind wandered over to the procedure for top removal and this paericular post came to mind.... How on earth did you manage to get to the cold start spring with the pump installed Colin :?:
User avatar
CitroJim
A very naughty boy
Posts: 54549
Joined: 30 Apr 2005, 23:33
x 8058

Unread post by CitroJim »

MikeT wrote:How on earth did you manage to get to the cold start spring with the pump installed Colin :?:
With great difficulty I'd imagine :lol: I have enough trouble with that spring when the pump is sitting on the bench :twisted:
Jim

A bit of a Citroen AX fan...