A BIG THANKYOU

Unread post by **les** » 25 Oct 2009, 12:41

many many thanks to everyone who gave time to reply to questions i posed on sphere changing where the garage failed with your help we have won for the 8 months i have had this car i have been catapulted about the inside on every journey but no more i am amazed at the ride quality of a 16 year old car also the tip on this forum about home made sphere removal tool works fine one i have orderd never arrived due to postal strike but half of my trolly jack bar a length of curved threaded bar two holes drilled in tube nuts and washers worked spot on once again thank you all regards les

Unread post by **CitroJim** » 25 Oct 2009, 12:53

Les, that's excellent news

and delighted the forum came good for you. it's what it is all about.

I'm sure I speak for all the admin and mod team here that to see a post such as yours makes our work here very worthwhile and meaningful

Sadly, hydraulic Citroens are not well understood by many garages and that has helped spoil their reputation a little. The difference between one riding on good spheres and one on flat ones is so extreme that it can cloud peoples judgment. I so often see Xantias bouncing around clearly in need of some quite basic work to transform them into the great cars they are...

deian · Unread post by **deian** » 25 Oct 2009, 13:18

CitroJim wrote: Sadly, hydraulic Citroens are not well understood by many garages and that has helped spoil their reputation a little. The difference between one riding on good spheres and one on flat ones is so extreme that it can cloud peoples judgment. I so often see Xantias bouncing around clearly in need of some quite basic work to transform them into the great cars they are...

don't tell everbody!

Mechanically they are designed with beautiful ideas that go outside the box, leaving them becoming rare for us to enjoy. I for one cannot fault any of the xantia's i've had, i can fault the fuel consumption of the xm though (but that is it).

Unread post by **Old-Guy** » 25 Oct 2009, 16:23

Sadly, hydraulic Citroens are not well understood by many garages and that has helped spoil their reputation a little.

A masterly understatement Jim!

In my, admittedly limited, experience most (non Citroen-specialist) mechanics haven't got a clue and fear of the unknown paralyses their minds. Too many of the younger ones rely on computer diagnostics instead of using their brains.

Unread post by **citroenxm** » 25 Oct 2009, 19:07

deian wrote:
i can fault the fuel consumption of the xm though (but that is it).

You bought the WRONG XM Dei!

The 2.1 TD XM of Series ones in EARLY First editions, from H 1990 to about J 1992 useing Lucas mechanical then later Bosch mechanical are actually a GOOD 45mpg car!!!

The Lucas EPIC with all the CAT and emission control rubbish on them dont do as well Im told..

Paul

Unread post by **CitroJim** » 25 Oct 2009, 19:18

citroenxm wrote: The Lucas EPIC with all the CAT and emission control rubbish on them dont do as well Im told..

I must admit Paul, I always found my EPIC 2.1TD Xantia to be a very economical beast. I regularly exceeded 50mpg in mine on a run.

Xac will have a different opinion though

In theory at least, the electronically controlled EPIC should be able to meter fuel far more accurately across the entire load range of the engine than a purely electronic pump and thus potentially give better overall economy. In any case, at the convenient time, I'd always advocate the removal of a cat on any diesel. They are only there for catalysing nitrous oxides with the help of EGR. I'd bin the EGR at an opportune moment as well. Both will waste fuel and give no real benefit...

Unread post by **citroenxm** » 25 Oct 2009, 19:24

Yours was in a Xantia Jim, smaller and lighter, I could beleve that..

In an XM, which I was refering to, its a heavyer car, so putting more work on the engine..

Yes of course an electronically controlled pump would be better metering!

As per HDi engines

Paul

Unread post by **CitroJim** » 25 Oct 2009, 19:34

citroenxm wrote:Yours was in a Xantia Jim, smaller and lighter, I could beleve that..

Ahh yes, agreed Paul but does the XM not have a better drag coefficient than the Xantia?

Also, I believe that the 2.0TCT (Activa) engine in the XM is more economical than the same engine in the Activa

Unread post by **citroenxm** » 25 Oct 2009, 19:36

Slightly! Ive a 2.oi TCT Engine in a Black XM auto, and like Dei, who also had one, its hopeless on fuel, the V6 is better, BUT Yes the Turbo is slightly better in the XM...

Paul

Stempy · Unread post by **Stempy** » 25 Oct 2009, 20:26

Old-Guy wrote:
Sadly, hydraulic Citroens are not well understood by many garages and that has helped spoil their reputation a little.
A masterly understatement Jim!

In my, admittedly limited, experience most (non Citroen-specialist) mechanics haven't got a clue and fear of the unknown paralyses their minds. Too many of the younger ones rely on computer diagnostics instead of using their brains.

Can't remember if I've posted this before, or indeed whether I saw it here first, but if you haven't seen it then can we have a Citroen version?

Unread post by **myglaren** » 25 Oct 2009, 20:27

Could that be down to individual engine characteristics rather than the combination of car/engine?

I ask as my C5 has very dismal fuel economy that is not shared with the majority of C5 2.0 HDi's. Clearly something up with the engine in the car, not the 2.0 HDi per se.

deian · Unread post by **deian** » 25 Oct 2009, 20:39

Stempy wrote:Can we have a Citroen version?

Ewwww, how dangerous!

No intelligence will be needed. It will strip the fun out of working it out yourself.

So no you can't have one for citroen!

red_dwarfers · Unread post by **red_dwarfers** » 25 Oct 2009, 20:41

Stempy wrote: Can't remember if I've posted this before, or indeed whether I saw it here first, but if you haven't seen it then can we have a Citroen version?

At first glance that is rather impressive!
Somehow I really hope that NEVER catches on though.

xmexclusive · Unread post by **xmexclusive** » 25 Oct 2009, 22:22

Hi Citroenxm

Nothing wrong with a bit of electronic control on an XM diesel.
Just worked out my fuel consumption for the 600 mile return trip to you this weekend. Not exactly lightly loaded either way, no motorway either, all cross contry. Estate so drag factor up a bit on a car. Used 14.5 galls so that gives 41.4 mpg which is not that bad for a fairly battered 2.5TD XM. Had I come via the M40/M6 I estimate it would have bettered 45 mpg for the trip. The best I have recorded is Inverness to Winchester on a Sunday in a 2.5TD XM car. That gave 55.15 mpg from a good nick low mileage car cruising at 70 virtually all the way.

John

Unread post by **citroenxm** » 25 Oct 2009, 22:46

John

NO not at all! I dont say there is not, thats why Im a fan of the 8v 2.oi HDi units!!

Its Mr N who doesn't like the electronics on the DERV engines, as for you, thats impressive economy from a 2.5 lump..

Good to see you, thanks again

Regards
Paul