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50mph limit for rural roads
50mph limit for rural roads
The speed limit on single carriageway rural roads is to be cut from 60mph to 50mph under government plans announced yesterday.
The lower limit is to be enforced by a new generation of average speed cameras capable of catching motorcycles. It could be imposed by next year.
Roads minister Jim Fitzpatrick said the move was needed to cut the death rate on rural roads, where seven out of 10 car crash fatalities occurred in 2007.
The 50mph limit will be proposed in a consultation to be published this summer.
This petition opposes the motion
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/noNSLreduction/
The speed limit on single carriageway rural roads is to be cut from 60mph to 50mph under government plans announced yesterday.
The lower limit is to be enforced by a new generation of average speed cameras capable of catching motorcycles. It could be imposed by next year.
Roads minister Jim Fitzpatrick said the move was needed to cut the death rate on rural roads, where seven out of 10 car crash fatalities occurred in 2007.
The 50mph limit will be proposed in a consultation to be published this summer.
This petition opposes the motion
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/noNSLreduction/
Yet another excuse to make money! This makes my blood boil!
What people need to realise is that the majority of speed limits were set when cars had cable operated drum brakes! Cars have moved on beyond recognition since then. "It's 30 for a reason" The reason being it brings in more revenue, this is just another example of that, using the excuse of 'safety'
It's not speed limits that need decreasing it's drivers needing educating.
I see it daily, road users that I honestly do not know how they obtained a licence and doing stupid things in general. There are a lot of rural roads in the New Forest area, and I feel more than comfortable doing 60mph. It is not solely about lowering speed, its about adapting to the conditions appropriately.
What people need to realise is that the majority of speed limits were set when cars had cable operated drum brakes! Cars have moved on beyond recognition since then. "It's 30 for a reason" The reason being it brings in more revenue, this is just another example of that, using the excuse of 'safety'
It's not speed limits that need decreasing it's drivers needing educating.
I see it daily, road users that I honestly do not know how they obtained a licence and doing stupid things in general. There are a lot of rural roads in the New Forest area, and I feel more than comfortable doing 60mph. It is not solely about lowering speed, its about adapting to the conditions appropriately.
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Most cars I get stuck behind on rural roads are sat at 40mph anyway, that is until they enter a 30 or 40 zone, then they speed up to 45mph!
Perhaps if they spent some of the tax motorists get robbed for on improving roads and reducing the scarily high number of "fatal" class roads, then maybe they'd actually save more lives.
Of course in reality, who cares about saving lives other than to use it as an excuse to rake in more money?
Perhaps if they spent some of the tax motorists get robbed for on improving roads and reducing the scarily high number of "fatal" class roads, then maybe they'd actually save more lives.
Of course in reality, who cares about saving lives other than to use it as an excuse to rake in more money?
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This seems to be universally true and defies all logic.Xac wrote:Most cars I get stuck behind on rural roads are sat at 40mph anyway, that is until they enter a 30 or 40 zone, then they speed up to 45mph!
Wasn't there a suggestion that all cars be fitted with a GPS responder so speeds could be monitored any time, any place?
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My opinions exactly, get to the root of the problem rather than all this faffing about. Again its all about moneyToby_HDi wrote: It's not speed limits that need decreasing it's drivers needing educating.
I see it daily, road users that I honestly do not know how they obtained a licence and doing stupid things in general. There are a lot of rural roads in the New Forest area, and I feel more than comfortable doing 60mph. It is not solely about lowering speed, its about adapting to the conditions appropriately.
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We've had 80kmh roads here since the change from mph a couple of years ago. Roads which were perfectly safe to do 60mph on one day were reduced to 50mph/80kmh overnight for no reason.
Except maybe to raise a few quid in fines to pay for the new kmh speed limit signs?
True what Xac says about the 'constant 40mph' crowd...
Except maybe to raise a few quid in fines to pay for the new kmh speed limit signs?
True what Xac says about the 'constant 40mph' crowd...
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So, that's a 100% vote so for for those against
We could all see this coming right from the appearance of the very first SPECS camera. What a great way of upping revenue but what do they spend it on? Not on the roads around these parts, that's for sure
Our roads are distinctly third-world after the recent frosts and some roads are now just potholes held together with bits of tarmac. They're dangerous as so many swerve to avoid the deep holes.
Bet our local suspension and tyre people are rubbing their hands in glee
Needless to say, there's been no obvious attempt to get them repaired.
Still, the state of the roads brings on a self-imposed speed limit making any cameras rather redundant.
Makes one glad of the Xantia suspension
I'm dead against any form of speed camera except those operated by real Policemen who can exercise discretion and rational thought and look out for those driving dangerously but are not necessarily breaking any speed limit. You don't have to speed to be dangerous.
One type of camera I'm all in favour of is the ANPR set up to nick those running without the basic legal requirements of MOT, Tax and Insurance. Nick 'em all and then crush their cars on the spot. My view is the more ANPR, the better.
Perhaps the legions of Gatsos, Truvelos and SPECS can all be modified to become ANPR cameras and it's likely they'll make more money from the illegal vehicles than they would speeders as well as having far more public support.
Then, all they need to do is to spend all the money on the roads but you just know that'll never happen.
We could all see this coming right from the appearance of the very first SPECS camera. What a great way of upping revenue but what do they spend it on? Not on the roads around these parts, that's for sure
Our roads are distinctly third-world after the recent frosts and some roads are now just potholes held together with bits of tarmac. They're dangerous as so many swerve to avoid the deep holes.
Bet our local suspension and tyre people are rubbing their hands in glee
Needless to say, there's been no obvious attempt to get them repaired.
Still, the state of the roads brings on a self-imposed speed limit making any cameras rather redundant.
Makes one glad of the Xantia suspension
I'm dead against any form of speed camera except those operated by real Policemen who can exercise discretion and rational thought and look out for those driving dangerously but are not necessarily breaking any speed limit. You don't have to speed to be dangerous.
One type of camera I'm all in favour of is the ANPR set up to nick those running without the basic legal requirements of MOT, Tax and Insurance. Nick 'em all and then crush their cars on the spot. My view is the more ANPR, the better.
Perhaps the legions of Gatsos, Truvelos and SPECS can all be modified to become ANPR cameras and it's likely they'll make more money from the illegal vehicles than they would speeders as well as having far more public support.
Then, all they need to do is to spend all the money on the roads but you just know that'll never happen.
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I completely agree with that and with all you have said Jim. However, I feel that most policemen these days are losing touch with common sense.CitroJim wrote:..I'm dead against any form of speed camera except those operated by real Policemen who can exercise discretion and rational thought and look out for those driving dangerously but are not necessarily breaking any speed limit. You don't have to speed to be dangerous...
One example I saw yesterday was I wqas out on a delivery and towards Verwood it is a single carriageway with a 50mph limit (always used to be 60mph, seems they've started it already on the sly)
As you enter the outskirts of Verwood the limit drops to 30mph all of a sudden, yes you should see the signs but not long after the limit change I see a mini portable camera sat on the side of the road, easily missed. As I passed it I then discovered police sat in the van which was parked right in amongst trees and all but out of sight until you were literally on top of them...
To me that just reeks of crafty revenue making and nothing to do with safety
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As we have more speed cameras CCTV etc than anywhere else in Europe, this is just what we don't want even more speed cameras, so yes they will generate more money from this "taxing" the motorist yet again, and the problems with the accident rate are to do with motorists ignorance, lack of ability, and common sense, not just the speed.
Apparently the Dutch have a new camera, so with the "revenue" (sic) that the authorities get from their old cameras, will give them more funds to buy this............
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Apparently the Dutch have a new camera, so with the "revenue" (sic) that the authorities get from their old cameras, will give them more funds to buy this............
So not only will we get more Specs, we will get this monster!
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Take a look at thisreport on the contracts they have on cameras in America, & look at the $$$$ connected into the contract!
Do they have the same type of tied in manufacturer contracts here?
Do they have the same type of tied in manufacturer contracts here?
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The amount of money spent on these hideous devices would be far better spent in making the roads intrinsically safer and better suited to their purpose. That'll be far more effective in reducing accidents.
In my opinion, many roads have now become dangerous simply because of all the devices installed to so-called calm them.
It strikes me they must need to nick a lot of motorists to recoup the capital outlay and running costs of these devices.
Another thing. If we tried to erect a monstrosity like that in our front gardens I'm sure the authorities would be down on us like a ton of bricks so how can they get away with these blots on the landscape? They've not gone out of their way to make them attractive
In my opinion, many roads have now become dangerous simply because of all the devices installed to so-called calm them.
It strikes me they must need to nick a lot of motorists to recoup the capital outlay and running costs of these devices.
Another thing. If we tried to erect a monstrosity like that in our front gardens I'm sure the authorities would be down on us like a ton of bricks so how can they get away with these blots on the landscape? They've not gone out of their way to make them attractive
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I don't know what you drive when you're delivering but if it's a van with over 2000kg maximum GVW it's already subject to a 50mph limit on single carriageways and 60mph on dual carriageways. A lot of van driver have been caught out by that.Toby_HDi wrote: One example I saw yesterday was I wqas out on a delivery and towards Verwood it is a single carriageway with a 50mph limit (always used to be 60mph, seems they've started it already on the sly)
I drive a lot for work and often I have no idea what the limit is, especially on semi-urban roads. There are so many road signs now that you can't possibly take them all in and watch the road properly.
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Indeed they have, thankfully I am aware of this fact. I drive a Mercedes Sprinter with 3500kg GVWreblack68 wrote:I don't know what you drive when you're delivering but if it's a van with over 2000kg maximum GVW it's already subject to a 50mph limit on single carriageways and 60mph on dual carriageways. A lot of van driver have been caught out by that.
Again, I agree, there are far too many road signs and quite often they are pointlessreblack68 wrote:I drive a lot for work and often I have no idea what the limit is, especially on semi-urban roads. There are so many road signs now that you can't possibly take them all in and watch the road properly.
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