Progress so far

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Progress so far

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Whilst I've really enjoyed my (1 week) of Activa ownership so far, a couple of problems have been bugging me. One is the brakes (covered in another thread) which hopefully will be sorted out with a thorough bleeding.

The other problem is a clunk when changing gear, or especially when pulling away. This has become increasingly annoying / worrying, and is sometimes accompanied by a grating noise at low speeds. In fact, it's similar to the behaviour that Thomas (the car's previous owner) described here. The noise seems to be worse at some times than others, but the clunk is constant.

Anyway, I popped up to my parents' house today to get a good look around the car in daylight (my first opportunity without rushing!). I got my father to slip the clutch against the handbrake, and saw the whole engine move back about 2 inches! I'm now sure that the mounting bush Andrew mentioned in the thread linked above is dead, and that replacing it will cure the clunk. This will be done this week, as long as the Stealer can come up with the part.

I got to pull at the roll control linkages behind the front wheels today too. The car did roll both ways, but it took quite an effort. Is this normal? Also, it didn't seem to return when the linkage was released, but only when I pushed it back. It's probably fine, and certainly seems to drive OK. I probably haven't got a mechanic's grip! Any opinions appreciated.

Apart from the clunk and the brakes, the car is still GREAT to drive. Fuel economy is poor (roughly 20MPG), but that's to be expected when I take it for a 12 mile spin over the Pennines at lunchtime (just for fun!). Don't know if anybody knows the A58 between Littleborough (near Rochdale) and Baitings Dam (near Ripponden) but it's a safe and exhilarating way to enjoy an Activa in your lunch break. :D

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Hi James.

It should work out for you - did for me and easy enough to check! :D

Re-reading the original thread you refer back to it does sound like Thomas
did go over this though so may draw a blank. :(

Andrew
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Hi Andrew.

I'm aware that Thomas looked at this. But the movement is SO large, and appears to be EXACTLY the movement this mounting is designed to prevent. Also, it isn't really possible to see the condition of the bush in situ (although most of the jobs around these cars seem impossible to me!). I'm going to get it changed anyway, and I'm sure that will sort the problem.

If not, I'm looking at much more expense. But I never imagined an Activa would be cheap to run anyway!

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Well, there's more or less the same info here where I ran through it
all again for this Activa area of the forum:

http://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/v ... hp?t=25135

Andrew
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Unfortunately, I still haven't found the damned receipt for the mounting!!
:evil:

Andrew
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andmcit wrote:Unfortunately, I still haven't found the damned receipt for the mounting!!
:evil:
It's much easier to see in your pics than when it's on the car! Much bigger than it looks too. I've got the part number as 183946 (from Citroen Service). If I order on Monday, they can hopefully have it for Tuesday. Or did your local Stealer have one in stock? Think mine is more interested in Mazdas sadly.

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Unread post by handyman »

Sorry to butt in but is there a bit of this thread missing?

James, chances are the clunk is caused by the lower mounting bush failing or one of the top mountings breaking. I've had both.

The worst one was the lower mounting bush, which looked perfectly OK and would have been OK on another Xantia, but Activas give them a hard time. Problem is they go soft after a while and need to be replaced.

It involves dismantling the longer driveshaft, as it runs through the mounting, unbolting the mounting, pushing out the old bush in a press and fitting the new one. I seem to remember the rubber bush is common to all the cars and needs to be aligned correctly. In addition, with the drive shaft out, you need to replace the oilseal and make sure the planetary gears in the differential do not dislodge themselves. The filler plug on the gearbox is at the back of the diff. :shock: :shock:

Good luck!

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handyman wrote:Good luck!
Hopefully it will be the simpler top mount causing the problem. As Andrew said, a 20 minute job for which you could wear cream chinos! I'll not be doing it myself anyway - my talents with a spanner aren't great nowadays.

There's a link above to Thomas' thread (click HERE) describing the problem he originally had.
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handyman wrote:Sorry to butt in but is there a bit of this thread missing?
Don't think that's a problem - isn't this the point of a forum! ;)

The bottom mounting are a weakness on any Xantia so a good call
Handyman! I've been fortunate not to see the big flat mounting go
on any I've seen mind.

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Re: Progress so far

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Sl4yer wrote: I got to pull at the roll control linkages behind the front wheels today too. The car did roll both ways, but it took quite an effort. Is this normal? Also, it didn't seem to return when the linkage was released, but only when I pushed it back. It's probably fine, and certainly seems to drive OK. I probably haven't got a mechanic's grip! Any opinions appreciated.
Hi James,

Yes, the rods do need a fair pull but the car should return to level on it's own after you have let go of them.

The rods link up to the roll corrector (Item 2 in the picture below) and this is basically a height corrector sitting on its side and lacking the damping elements of a standard height corrector so it responds instantly. The mecanism on the roll corrector that the rods actuate is very similar to the mechanism in a height corrector and suffers the same woes if not kept well lubricated.

Securely support the car on stands, get under and have a look at the roll corrector and give all its mechanism (item 11 in the picture below) a good clean and spray with lube. Whilst you are there, have a look at the blocks (16) on the wishbone linkages and the linkages themselves (13). The linkages can bind in the blocks and the linkage rods can wear oval where they run through the blocks. Both items are easy to replace and surprisingly cheap from a Stealer too :lol: I spray the linkages where they run through the blocks with spray grease from time to time and when I'm feeling like doing the job properly, dismantle them, clean them and give them a proper greasing.

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This PDF will give you instructions on how to set up the roll corrector linkages and some more pictures of how it all hangs together.
Jim

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Unread post by amurleopard »

Hi James,

oh well, ... sorry to read you're having trouble. :(

I know this doesn't help much, but I really wasn't aware of the problem with the engine mounting. The creaks described in the thread you cited (and in fact in another forum, too: ActivaNet, suspension section, this thread) have always vanished for up to a few weeks after spraying WD40 on the linkage joints. Before I started doing this in June 08, I was looking for the fault for quite a long time (with my very restricted mechanical abilities), also suspecting the engine mounting according to the other thread you cited. But because the engine had absolutely no play when I tried to rock it as hard as I could (when it was off, of course :roll:) and because the WD40 always removed the noise, I ruled this possible cause out.

I'm sorry you have to sit it out now, and I hope the efforts and costs will keep within limits.

And yes, the Activa is thirsty. Even after tuning in to it and by driving economically, I haven't managed to get more than 30 mpg out of it over a longer period. The only exception being an extended weekend in Scotland with 31 mpg. But the bendy roads were too tempting, so my driving wasn't too economic on those country roads ... :roll:

Cheers

Thomas
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Hi Thomas.

No problem! I never expected Activa ownership to be cheap, and these are pretty minor things. I know what you've had done to it in the past year or so, and that was one of the reasons I bought the car.

I'm still enjoying it, and my trip to work is only 6 miles so economy isn't too big an issue. :D

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James, do you use your Activa to drive to work!? Six miles will barely get it warmed up and the wear and tear on the turbo will help shorten its life. Hope you are letting the engine idle for thirty seconds before you turn the ignition off, as per the handbook. :?

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handyman wrote:James, do you use your Activa to drive to work!? Six miles will barely get it warmed up and the wear and tear on the turbo will help shorten its life. Hope you are letting the engine idle for thirty seconds before you turn the ignition off, as per the handbook. :?

Handyman
I do. It's quite a leisurely run, so the turbo shouldn't be getting stressed too much. I would never use high revs until the oil temp has reached it's normal operating range anyway, and it gets a good slow run into the car park to let the turbo cool. I don't think it's necessary to go to the lengths of a fellow employee who has a turbo timer fitted to his tuned Impreza!

I know it's not an ideal journey, but it has to earn it's keep day to day as well as providing some fun at the weekend.

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Well, MOT passed for another 12 months. :D

The garage have diagnosed the knock as the exhaust clunking against the underbody. No adjustment possible unfortunately. The engine mounts are apparently intact, although not perfect. I'm inclined to get the one that Andrew pictured done anyway.

Brakes have been bled. Hard to say if there's any improvement yet. I'm back to suspecting the spring needs to come out!

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