Ebay item Veg oil

jgra1 · Unread post by **jgra1** » 03 Oct 2007, 15:27

chaps is this guy right, or silly?

ebay
Item number: 260166599195 (points to a rover converted professionally to run on just about anything)

I dont know much about Rover deisels (that he refers to) , but its a 2 litre and is similar to XU engines regarding injection.. ie. its not common rail and not direct, so this guy is wrong, or right?

John

nick · Unread post by **nick** » 03 Oct 2007, 15:57

The engine is direct injection, its a variation on the Perkins Prima Di used in Maestro and Montegos. Direct injection doesn't have to mean common rail, some have traditional mechanical pumps.
My ex gf's old direct injection Maestro 2.0TD used a Bosch fuel pump virtually identical to that fitted to the indirect injection Xantia 1.9TD I owned at the time!

Some Di diesels don't use glowplugs, I think some of the early non-turbo Maestro diesels didn't have them, although our later turbo engine did.

I don't know of any problems caused specifically by running a Di on veg, its generally the common rail system that is the problem, not the fact that its direct injection, but he may be right about that aspect of it.

jgra1 · Unread post by **jgra1** » 03 Oct 2007, 16:16

thanks Nick..

ok learning loads now about this whole subject.. feel so far behind

Fuel Duty... do you all pay it ?

PM if you want

John

jgra1 · Unread post by **jgra1** » 03 Oct 2007, 16:18

oops

almost striaght after I wrote that i found this

Nw, if you use less than 2500 litres of oil a year, you don't have to register or pay duty! Here's the press release from the Revenue; the rules themselves are being rewritten and I'll update when they have settled.

its all beginning to sink in....

Unread post by **CitroJim** » 03 Oct 2007, 16:33

The car in question has a Bosch pump so should be OK on veg pump-wise but I'd question some of the substances he says it will run on. Used engine oil and lighter fluid

The latter, no way. That will seize the pump unless it is mixed with something to lubricate the pump. Ligter fluid of the sort used in Zippo lighters won't work at all in a compression ignition engine for the same reason petrol won't. Used engine oil as a fuel would be madness

MikeT · Unread post by **MikeT** » 03 Oct 2007, 17:24

I'm surprised he refrained from adding it also runs on hot air

XantiaMan · Unread post by **XantiaMan** » 03 Oct 2007, 17:37

The engine is an L series a direct relation to the Perkins Prima (i've had 2), i know of some people running veg without a problem, my old car used to start in sub zero conditions without any working glow plugs either!

micitroen · Unread post by **micitroen** » 03 Oct 2007, 18:14

A mate of mine was telling me that as an owner/driver operator of a big HGV (always on the continent) he often used to change his own oil at the roadsise and (apparently common practice) used to put the old oil back into the fuel tank and burn it off. Now, as he says when you are putting say 20 litres into a tank holding some 500 litres it probably won't make a lot of difference but it was common practice.

nick · Unread post by **nick** » 03 Oct 2007, 19:07

XantiaMan583 wrote:my old car used to start in sub zero conditions without any working glow plugs either!

Yep, so did ours. It would take maybe a second or two longer to start in very cold weather but it always started, glowplugs or not

Brilliant engines really, often better than the cars they were fitted to

XantiaMan · Unread post by **XantiaMan** » 03 Oct 2007, 19:16

nick wrote:
XantiaMan583 wrote:my old car used to start in sub zero conditions without any working glow plugs either!
Yep, so did ours. It would take maybe a second or two longer to start in very cold weather but it always started, glowplugs or not
Brilliant engines really, often better than the cars they were fitted to

I would disagree with the last statement, my last 2 daily runners were monty estates and they were the best cars i ever had, the last one got written off in July by a lady smashing into the side of it, it was only 128k miles young and still going very strong, my last one did 203k on its original clutch, turbo and gearbox and i still miss the boot space and the look on people's faces when you outhandle them round the corners (Estate handled better than the saloon)

The engines in TD format were fantastic, the the only problem with the cars was and always was, rust! I fitted new arches to my last one, had a couple of doors lined up but it was far from tatty and always drew admiring looks because it was a rare sight. I did 20k in 6 months and the only time it let me down was when the pipes leading to the lift pump were loose (my dad replaced it about a year previous and it had vibrated loose)

Still miss it, and the unique noise, but dont miss the rust and the fact everyone takes the p**s out of them.

Just my 2 cents sticking up for one of the most under-rated cars this country has ever built

nick · Unread post by **nick** » 03 Oct 2007, 19:46

Don't get me wrong, I liked them too it was just the rust that was the real problem. Otherwise they were virtually bombproof. My ex (who now lives in Cyprus, and has had various Japanese cars since) still refers to her Maestro "the best car she ever owned".

Unread post by **CitroJim** » 03 Oct 2007, 22:13

Yep, it was the rust that really killed Rover. My last British car was a K plate Metro. Great car, looked great, great suspension, great handling, sweetest engine on the planet but shocking paintwork that had the arches rusting out at 4 years old. Apart from the rust, the cars were impossible to fault but rust is rust. A pal of mine had an N plate Rover 100 (Metro) that has just been scrapped due to structural rust

Good design let down by shocking build quality. RIP Britsh Leyland et-al, the rust finally got you...

So unnecessary.

You'll never see a K plate PSA vehicle with rust of any consequence even today. That Rover was my last Brit before going back to the French and I've never looked back...

And we think French electrics are bad. Rover were on a par with the Iatalians in my last Metro